AKA please, don’t tell me “get professional help”. Poor people can’t afford it anyways.

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    Exercise every day. Eat decent food and get good sleep. Practice mediation. Find artistic hobbies that you enjoy.

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    Very unsuccessfully, I’ve been fighting this fight for over 30 years in and out of the care of doctors, luckily right now I have insurance so I’m just out copays and whatever fees the psychiatrist’s office decides to send my way but it’s worth it because I’m stable. Without professional help I pile on distractions, hobbies, overwork, volunteering, etc. Not a healthy coping strategy, I’ve tried to kill myself twice (the last time earned me a 4 day medically induced coma) and been put on psychiatric hold. I know you said poor people can’t afford it but there are clinics where I live that deal almost exclusively with the homeless, if they can find a way to help them they may be able to help people in better financial positions who still can’t afford treatment on their budget.

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    Recently someone recommended a book about this topic. I haven’t read it (yet), but I found the title quite fascinating. It was in German, so I’m trying to translate:

    “Do not believe everything that you think”.

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    I know your point. Access to professional help is a privilege that few have.

    I think next best thing is socialising. There’s probably groups in your area (see social media for that, meetup, Facebook, forums) that meet up and talk. I highly recommend in-person meetings. Also I tried giving my body some help with food. Carbs give you some serotonin.

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    Steps

    1. Have hope. Believe that it’s possible to get better.
    2. Practice. Try something, anything, that might actually help.
    3. Keep going. Maintain the ritual, show up to practice, keep trying.
    4. Reflect. At some point if it’s not working that’s fine go to step 1.
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    You don’t have to go to a specialist to get antidepressants; many GPs will prescribe them if you ask. I also see a lot of online clinics offering prescriptions without an in-person appointment, but I don’t have personal experience with that. The standard antidepressants are fairly safe and I wouldn’t be too worried about side effects to take them without a psychiatrist’s supervision.

    Other than that, what helped me most was realizing that I couldn’t trust my own thoughts. It’s hard, because generally “X is true” and “I think X is true” are subjectively the same thing. When I went through periods of depression, I sincerely believed that I had never been happy and that my depression would never end, but as a matter of fact I had been happy (or at least reasonably content) for most of my life and prior episodes of depression had ended. Being able to realize that I had actually been happy and probably would be again, despite what felt true in that moment, made depression much more bearable.

    Another key intervention for me was moving closer to my family. It felt like a huge defeat (here I was, an adult who couldn’t handle living on his own) but I told myself “plan based on who you are, not who you wish you were”. Having supportive people around helped a lot; when I’m depressed I don’t want to be around other people but that is actually the wrong strategy. “I just want to be alone” is one of those thoughts that I shouldn’t trust.

    Finally, a really useful mental strategy is to consider what advice you would give to a good friend in a situation similar to your own, and then to act on that advice yourself. My depression was accompanied by a great deal of self-loathing but that loathing didn’t extend to my friends (even my imaginary friends). I found that I often knew exactly what advice I would give a friend, and it wasn’t to do what I had been planning to do.

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    Don’t do it on your own, do it with other people.

    I found that the more time I spent with other people, the less time I was spending beating myself up.

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      There’s an AA saying that the opposite of addiction is community; I find the same thing is often true of depression.

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        Ever heard of the cocaine mouse?

        The experiment was to put a mouse alone in a cage with two water sources. One had sugar water that would keep the mouse alive, the other had cocaine and no nutritional benefit. The mouse would keep drinking the cocaine and starve to death.

        Then someone tried the same experiment but they gave the mouse companions. With other mice around they would all eat.

        https://www.futurity.org/mice-addiction-cocaine-959182/

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        You’re literally interacting with people right now.

        There are people online who need help with all sorts of problems.

        If nothing else, you can just listen to what they have to say.

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      Highly agree with this.

      I struggled with depression for years and the most beneficial change I made was to put effort into developing close friendships. Having friends and family that you can talk to and share things with is immeasurably valuable.

      Also, listening to other’s problems helps develop your own empathetic response and it’s a short step to extending that empathy to yourself. Be kind to yourself and avoid negative self-talk. You deserve better. Life is hard enough as it is.

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    You’re probably in a better place than most severely depressed people because you think that you can get better! Probably the best thing to do is keep a growth mindset and try to learn as much as you can about depression. Getting over depression is a journey.

    Lots of other people have said running & friends, those things help me. But recently/now I am depressed and running 40 miles a week and seeing my friends regularly.

    What’s a really cheap solution? Pirate some bibliotherapy books! Feeling good by David D. Burns is older, but I’m reading it right now and it seems like a really solid CBT book. I would also recommend “Adult children of emotionally immature parents”. It helped me understand why I am the way I am

    The hardest part for me is noticing when my thoughts are turning situations from good or neutral into bad situations. Paying attention to your thoughts in an objective way is hard! But some sort of mindfulness practice can help.

    Journaling can be useful! You can train your brain to look for good things by writing out 3 good things that happened or you did every night.

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    I found gaining an interest in hobbies that are difficult gave me a will to live. I want to experience mastering all of these crafts that take decades to master.

    Cooking, drawing, woodworking. Becoming a master of just one is hard enough, so every minute is extremely precious. I try to spend as much time as possible practicing and learning.

    I can’t think of suicide because I worked so hard to male this much progress, and I still want to experience my other hobbies.

    One’s craft helps one’s life. An old Japanese saying.

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    1. Sadness and depression are chemical events in your brain that you have no conscious control over
    2. You can consciously control some of the common triggers that lead to negative thoughts but most people can’t completely turn off given thoughts
    3. Your brain is like the earth and thoughts are like rivers, the more you think certain ways the more you will continue to think those ways, neural pathways are strengthened by their activations

    Learn to redirect, wear a bracelet or similar physical reminder of a specific thing you like, when you experience the thoughts you want to avoid, redirect and focus on the things you like

    Change your environment, identify triggers that push you toward depression and avoid them. Some literally cannot be avoided, and some situations are impossible to escape, in those cases accept the associated negativity and redirect

    Find people who have the attitudes and feelings you want to emulate and spend time with them, we are social and learn much from our peers

    Ingest media that aligns with your desired world view, avoid tragedies, horror movies, gore, popular doom news media, etc. This will force you into an echo chamber but it is a popular coping technique

    Most important you are your own person, write down how you feel and what triggered those emotions every day. You can’t really know if you’re improving if you don’t have a record

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    1- Exercise - I generally think that walking or running on trails in nature is one of those generally free beneficial thinks you can do for depression. Worse case scenario, you improve your fitness and feal better about the shape of your body.

    2- Sleep - Yeah, this is a massive one, aim for at least 7-8 hrs. Regular exercise will help, but try to keep a relatively even sleep schedule (schedule yourself to be in bed without your phone by 10pm is a lazy but easy way to help).

    3- Limit doomscrolling - Looking at the latest news about what craziness is happening in world probably isn’t that amazing to do that often, so limit it a bit.

    4- Diet - I’m vegetarian, and when I started years ago I noticed it really seemed to make my bouts of depression easier to handle. That being said, at the very least make sure you aren’t eating too much junk food and try not to drink. If you aren’t getting enough of a particular nutrient, take a multivitamin (magnesium is a pretty common deficit for most, and can affect your sleep).

    5- Meditation - The act of breathing can occasionally give a bit of a break from the spiral of depressed thoughts, so it’s no wonder that a lot of therapists tend to recommend it. Just start with 10 min a day and see if that helps any.

    6 - Atmosphere - I know his can’t always be helped, but just adjusting your living environment can make a tremendous difference. Try taking a day or so just to thoroughly clean your room/apt/house. Personally, my advice is to clean like you are trying to truly help someone you love/respect so that at the end you feel like no stone was left unturned.

    7- Music - Kinda try to find some music you like that is soothing and try to like depressive or harsh music. Sounds stupid, but it helps some.

    8- Psychodelics - A bit controversial, but I personally use shrooms long term to handle depression. They honestly have been the best long term depression maintenance I’ve found for the price. But truthfully, most of what they do is give you a few hours to step out of your emotions, and force you to actually look at yourself. They are basically just making you acknowledge the above for the most part, and after a trip if you don’t make changes, they won’t really help that much. Pro tip, a notebook to capture your stream of thought can be very helpful for post trip integrations.

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      Shrooms are definitely dangerous, especially for people who are prone to schizophrenia I’ve read.

      Personally, they made me realize my mind is capable of being content. No longer full blast, spinning plates all of the time.

      That experience made me realise change is possible, and I got professional help a year later. Turns out I’ve been living in C-PTSD since I was 5.

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        I’d argue that shrooms themselves aren’t a huge deal, but pre-existing conditions for sure have accounted for (if you are schizophrenic or have bipolar disorder, please be careful/don’t take them), correct dosages for different strains should be taken, and you should do them in a safe environment. Shrooms themselves can’t directly kill you, unlike some stronger psychodelics (lsd, research chems, etc) which is why I generally recommend them (and not mushroom chocolate bars, which are usually research chems even if they say otherwise).

        Either way, glad to hear that you seemed to get the benefit of change!

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          Most of your info is solid, just a couple quibbles from a longtime psychedelic user. LSD also cannot kill you. I prefer psilocybin of course but don’t spread disinformation.

          Second one is it’s psychedelics, not psychodelics.

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            Thanks for the catch on psychedelics, my autocorrect messed that one up and I didn’t notice. Also, while I know actual lsd can’t kill you, I have heard that there can be contamination one some with elements that can (admittedly secondhand knowledge, but still). Testing kits seem to pretty much catch it, but I think if someone is inexperienced they might not know better. More just trying push them towards shrooms first, as it can be a safe first step.

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              Right on. What’s being sold as acid right now is often the RCs like the shroom bars. I don’t think any of it is life threatening though.

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                It’s generally 4acodmt, which is similar to pure psilocybin. It’s most assuredly stronger than shrooms, and as you said I think you could probably confuse it with acid. That being said, you could theoretically take too much of it due to the concentration and be harmed, as while shrooms take a bit of time to digest, 4aco doesn’t. Also, much the same issue as acid, it’s harder to produce so there’s a slight chance of contamination that could be deadly (again, word of mouth but I remember a lot of long time shrooms users being wary of the chocolate bars as they didn’t want newbies to start with them and be potentially harmed).

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        Schizophrenia is the only reason not to take psychedelics. Your first sentence could easily be misinterpreted as a lie that tries to falsely apply that danger to other areas.

        All the usual “be safe, feel safe” advice applies no matter what!

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      Everything (except 8, obviously) is pretty standard practice for CBT as well. In terms of self-help, I’d also definitely add

      9: Find nice people/a nice group to spend time with. Doesn’t really matter what it is: sports club, theater, study group, board game club, garden builders. Just follow your interests.

      I think many people dismiss the incredible value friends bring to our life and the stabilizing effect it has on out mental health. Loneliness is one of the deadliest causes out there (some studies say it’s as harmful as smoking daily), so make sure to have people around you whom you like spending time with! And no, digital groups are not the same as real-life ones. Body language is incredibly important in communication, and with it missing orr brain processes information differently.

      Tl;Dr: Get out there and find nice people.

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      Excellent post.

      On the topic of shrooms, the 50-100mg of Golden Teacher or Penis Envy have worked well for me. Every other day for 2 months. Then take a month off.

      If you have the ability, OP, you could adopt a pet. It helped me a lot to have someone to keep me company and that I was responsible for.
      You can’t just lay in bed hoping for tomorrow when you got a terrier yapping at you to get up and play with him.

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        Glad it helps, I was kinda in the same situation as op as few years ago (depressed, broke, and living with my parents), although I was in the US. I don’t personally recommend having a pet when depressed, I’m thankful that my dog wasn’t cared for by just me at the time as I suspect that I wouldn’t have gone great. I personally try to fully trip every 4-6 weeks, but the more time passes the longer I find I don’t need to trip that frequently. I take a pretty high dose, have to schedule out a full day to get through it. I haven’t really tried much in the way of micro dosing, but I’ve heard that they work for a lot of people.

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    I think the usual recs are things like start small and consistent and take care of your physical health (not over/under sleeping, good diet and exercise, keeping yourself and home clean, etc), hobbies, cultivate relationships, etc but if you’re not able to take the steps to make those things happen you may need a professional’s help who can offer things like talk therapy, behavior therapy, medicine, etc. i.e. If I have a sprained ankle I can keep weight off it and wrap it to let it heal, but if it’s a break I’d need a doctor to maybe set the break and cast it to get it to heal properly, similar for mental health some stuff you can do yourself but some stuff takes someone else trained to heal or help identify the difference between the two.

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    Hello. I am 51 and have been battling chronic, often severe, depression since 1989. I also found “professional help” ineffective on the psychology side and ultimately harmful on the psychiatry side (meds)…for me. I understand that they are helpful for most, but no two people are the same.

    I have found that there is no one thing you can do. There is no “silver bullet”. It will likely take a number of techniques and solutions in conjunction and others only when needed. Here are a few that might help, or might not.

    • Fitness and Exercise - Yes, I know. The last thing you want to do is torture yourself further but, the effects can be immediate. Sometimes a strength and cardio workout can give you enough of a chemical kick in the ass to help you through at least part of your day.

    • Bullet Journaling - Journaling is the most useful tip I got from a therapist, but it wasn’t until I tried Bullet Journaling that I saw its potential. It is very easy to get lost in ourselves and lose all hope of anything ever being better. Keeping a journal, especially one as detailed and focused on your well-being as a bullet journal, can really help you realize tye progress you have made. It can also help you evaluate your past states of mind and possibly find relationships between those states of mind and things you have done. Maybe you notice a pattern between depressive episodes and eating steak or broccoli or chats with your sister, etc. Don’t scoff, depression is fucking weird. Anyway, I highly recommend reading The Bullet Journal Method by Ryder Carroll. If money is an issue, you can probably find it in you local library system, used book stores, or 🏴‍☠️ if you must. I bought a copy used on Amazon for $6.

    • Quit Alcohol - Sorry. Depression and alcohol consumption are besties and every time they get together, you pay the price. Not much more to say than that.

    • Microdose - I personally don’t think it is a good idea to get full on high. Again, we are not identical robots. Everyone has a different bio-chemical system, but abuse of any one substance never tends to work out well. That said, microdosing weed literally saved my life. I won’t go into details but chronic and severe insomnia had me a the edge of suicide. The meds I was being given were not helping and they were literally stealing “me” from myself. Two puffs from a vape pen before bed (not enough to get me proper high) gave me a solid five to six hours of sleep (I was getting 60-90 minutes before).

    • Diet - Eat as clean as you can. The less processed food and ingredients the better (looking at you sugar). Eat balanced. Instead of making meat the centerpiece of the meal, try making the enhancement. Lots of greens, legumes, fruit, etc, on your plate to go along with your small piece of protein. EDIT: This one is important not only for nutrition but also because of your microbiome. There is increasing evidence of links between microbiotic gut health and mental health. But also, you need good nutrition.

    • Hydrate - I struggle with this one too.

    • Interact with others in person - I am not saying that you need friends and family, or that you need to surround yourself by loving relationships, etc. All that sounds great, but isn’t on the cards for many people. It also comes with the risk of introducing toxic people or relationships into your life. What I mean is, try to make an effort to engage with the humans around you, even if it is superficial. I small talk with my cashier at the market, my waiter, etc. I try to engage with others as often as I can. It is low risk because if they don’t respond you can move on and you will never see them again, and even if you do, they will likely not remember you. Just don’t keep trying with that one person if it didn’t work previously. Don’t be creepy. The point is that our stupid monkey brains need that. We do not do well with absolute isolation.

    • Sunlight - You need it.

    • Recognize and remove toxic people and relationships from your orbit - The word “orbit” is on purpose. I do mean directly from your life, that should be obvious, but I also mean from your vicinity. Maybe you hang with someone who’s nice but they are in a toxic relationship. You don’t need that energy around you, especially if that person is just an acquaintance (we overuse the word friend when we often mean close acquaintance). This might sound cold but you need to save yourself before you even think about trying to save others. Otherwise your depressed ass might do more harm than good.

    Remember, these are just opinions. No two people are the same. You need to find what works for you.

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    Save your energy, reduce sugar and glutene, sleep well, reduce distractions, exercise.

    Also what you said to not tell you.

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    If you have depression with a medical cause, the only solution is going to be medicine.

    I had depression for about 20 years and ignored it because I thought it would be too expensive and complicated.

    One time I mentioned it to my GP at my free annual checkup. He wrote me a script for Lexapro. Even when I didn’t have insurance, it has never cost over $20 for a month supply.

    It has been worth countless times that to me, and one of my biggest regrets was not just asking sooner and assuming and taking other people’s word it was complicated and expensive to get help.

    As mentioned in another reply, try the teledoc and see if they can give you something. There are a few cheap types these days so you can hopefully get one that works for you.

    Best of luck, it is truly life changing!