Even as someone who clashes with Lemmy.world users every post, I highly doubt Kamala doesn’t have the vast majority of American support over Trump. It’s that people don’t vote
Yes but also no: it’s mostly that many people either CAN’T vote or can but only with extreme exercise of patience and stamina.
Get rid of all the ridiculous voter suppression obstacles and you’ll see a dramatic uptick in voting and a corresponding shift towards Dems winning almost every election, making the GOP unviable within a decade.
Neither major party wants that, though, since the Dem leadership counts on running on fear of Republicans so that they won’t have to go further left than the owner donors are comfortable with.
If the Dems won every election on center left policies, the only option left to the Rs would be to do another party switch and go further left. That’s how we get an actual left wing party.
We don’t have to wait for Republicans to want to become socialists (what the absolute fuck is this line of thinking?). We can have more then two viable political parties with a more representative electoral system like STAR voting.
How we.vote is.controlled.at the state level as well, so we don’t need a miracle to pass in congress to get these changes. In fact, some states have already passed legislation that replaced First Past The Post voting. Others are voting on it in referendums soon to!
So it’s possible, gets more people involved in the political process, and gets more votes for democrats.
we just need convince the DNC that democracy is a good thing.
What?!? You mean we can’t virtue signal about how the Democrats have to earn our vote, not vote, and expect the party to move away from the side that actually votes?!?!?!?!?
I get so sick of fake leftists promoting behaviors that actively go against their stated goals. I guess they’re not all fake, some of them are just psycho accelerationists who would rather get ‘dictator on day one’ than let the Democrats have power because then they might think they won’t go left if they win (and won’t admit they will just keep going right like they’ve done for over half a century when they lose).
Easy to say when you live somewhere that voting is easy.
You honestly think Jim Crow restrictions on voting ended? The Supreme Court itself struck down the Voting Rights Act, and now you can have a single polling station for a county.
I really hate reading about how difficult it is to vote in some places. I live in a suburb that is far enough from the city that it borders some rural areas. The area is very white, and something like 3/4 red. And it is SO easy for me to vote. Every year I don’t even look into voting early or by mail because I can just roll into my polling location and fill out a ballot in minutes. And that polling location only has to accommodate my local neighborhood, like hundreds of people at most.
It’s wild how much work goes into disenfranchising people in more blue areas. How can so many people work towards that without having the “are we the baddies” moment? (Rhetorical question, I do have eyes and ears and am well aware of the shitty state of our culture)
Yeah, it’s crazy that it not only happens but is apparently ok.
I rolled into my voting place after work, which you’d expect to be busy and no line. We’re in a high cost of living part of a high cost of living blue state, but most definitely not white nor wealthy. I assume it’s the blue state that wants everyone to vote although I certifiably don’t know if there are places here where it’s different
Plus the system is rigged to count rural (and thus usually more conservative) votes more, so sane people have to turn out in greater numbers to keep sociopaths out of the white house
Then the people whose votes don’t matter electorally decide that the popular vote isn’t relevant, so they don’t bother.
Hey guys! If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution. And she has the numbers to do that if you guys could just vote.
My state is already called with 82% for Harris! I’m sure the final won’t be nearly that good but we’re on track to beat our previous score of 69% blue.
People that don’t bother to vote are as bad as Trump supporters. The true foundation of every autocratic regime is not fear, it’s not their real supporters, it’s people that don’t care what happens as long as it’s not happening to them (yet).
I don’t know. There’s a surprising amount of stupid people here. They live in near poverty and are easily manipulated into hating others as the reason for their miserable lives. It’s really that simple in my opinion. Yes there are lots of people who don’t vote, but I’m not sure that it would change the current split if they all did vote. We need more and better education.
I think that’s certainly part of it. Imo, it’s a few things more also, not that you said it wasn’t anything else too:
Included in what you said, voter suppression. People being bombarded into apathy, has really kicked up a notch. Its identifying who’s susceptible and spamming them like mad with things the data you have on them says will work specifically.
There’s a real core of people in every country thats incredibly easy to wind up with emotive narratives that have enough truthyness to override what might otherwise be sound critical judgment skills.
America’s real problem is that the direct line to those people and their data is owned by a very small group of very wealthy people. On top of that, you have interference from a country that seems to some how be even better than America at foreign election interference and they’re very pro trump.
That’s before you get to the Democrats who, even if they were or weren’t any good, have to sell their soul to the highest bidder just to come close to Republican election spending. The side who spends the most is always the side who wins and a democrat will only ever be given enough money to win if they compromise to an extent that they’re, right or wrong, not different enough for a lot of Americans.
My country’s greatest export is class subjugation. America’s is the manufacture of consent. America was amazing at it even before social media etc. which would be a dictators dream. Now, I’m not saying the people with all the power are as bad as bad as stalin or anything like that. But, with something like that at your disposal, you wouldn’t have to be.
TLDR: America is the ever evolving blueprint to how consent will be manufactured around the world.
Even as someone who clashes with Lemmy.world users every post, I highly doubt Kamala doesn’t have the vast majority of American support over Trump. It’s that people don’t vote
That doesn’t change anything, tbh.
Apparently these people are at least complacent enough to let Trump become president. And that is horrifying.
Yeah, that’s a decision
Yes but also no: it’s mostly that many people either CAN’T vote or can but only with extreme exercise of patience and stamina.
Get rid of all the ridiculous voter suppression obstacles and you’ll see a dramatic uptick in voting and a corresponding shift towards Dems winning almost every election, making the GOP unviable within a decade.
Neither major party wants that, though, since the Dem leadership counts on running on fear of Republicans so that they won’t have to go further left than the owner donors are comfortable with.
If the Dems won every election on center left policies, the only option left to the Rs would be to do another party switch and go further left. That’s how we get an actual left wing party.
Honestly, I’d be cool with that
We don’t have to wait for Republicans to want to become socialists (what the absolute fuck is this line of thinking?). We can have more then two viable political parties with a more representative electoral system like STAR voting.
How we.vote is.controlled.at the state level as well, so we don’t need a miracle to pass in congress to get these changes. In fact, some states have already passed legislation that replaced First Past The Post voting. Others are voting on it in referendums soon to!
So it’s possible, gets more people involved in the political process, and gets more votes for democrats.
we just need convince the DNC that democracy is a good thing.
What?!? You mean we can’t virtue signal about how the Democrats have to earn our vote, not vote, and expect the party to move away from the side that actually votes?!?!?!?!?
I get so sick of fake leftists promoting behaviors that actively go against their stated goals. I guess they’re not all fake, some of them are just psycho accelerationists who would rather get ‘dictator on day one’ than let the Democrats have power because then they might think they won’t go left if they win (and won’t admit they will just keep going right like they’ve done for over half a century when they lose).
Electing a fascist dictator to own the liberals
Easy to say when you live somewhere that voting is easy.
You honestly think Jim Crow restrictions on voting ended? The Supreme Court itself struck down the Voting Rights Act, and now you can have a single polling station for a county.
I really hate reading about how difficult it is to vote in some places. I live in a suburb that is far enough from the city that it borders some rural areas. The area is very white, and something like 3/4 red. And it is SO easy for me to vote. Every year I don’t even look into voting early or by mail because I can just roll into my polling location and fill out a ballot in minutes. And that polling location only has to accommodate my local neighborhood, like hundreds of people at most.
It’s wild how much work goes into disenfranchising people in more blue areas. How can so many people work towards that without having the “are we the baddies” moment? (Rhetorical question, I do have eyes and ears and am well aware of the shitty state of our culture)
Yeah, it’s crazy that it not only happens but is apparently ok.
I rolled into my voting place after work, which you’d expect to be busy and no line. We’re in a high cost of living part of a high cost of living blue state, but most definitely not white nor wealthy. I assume it’s the blue state that wants everyone to vote although I certifiably don’t know if there are places here where it’s different
Plus the system is rigged to count rural (and thus usually more conservative) votes more, so sane people have to turn out in greater numbers to keep sociopaths out of the white house
Then the people whose votes don’t matter electorally decide that the popular vote isn’t relevant, so they don’t bother.
Hey guys! If Kamala wins the popular vote by >70% but loses the election, there will be riots. There could be a revolution. And she has the numbers to do that if you guys could just vote.
It’s adorable you think the Dems have the spine for that sort of thing.
agreed, Dem centrists havent even reached the concerned letter writing stage over a genocide. Thet are pretty far from any revolution.
My state is already called with 82% for Harris! I’m sure the final won’t be nearly that good but we’re on track to beat our previous score of 69% blue.
We’re doing what we can for popular vote
People that don’t bother to vote are as bad as Trump supporters. The true foundation of every autocratic regime is not fear, it’s not their real supporters, it’s people that don’t care what happens as long as it’s not happening to them (yet).
It’s always that people don’t vote. Support without votes is empty wind.
I don’t know. There’s a surprising amount of stupid people here. They live in near poverty and are easily manipulated into hating others as the reason for their miserable lives. It’s really that simple in my opinion. Yes there are lots of people who don’t vote, but I’m not sure that it would change the current split if they all did vote. We need more and better education.
I think that’s certainly part of it. Imo, it’s a few things more also, not that you said it wasn’t anything else too:
Included in what you said, voter suppression. People being bombarded into apathy, has really kicked up a notch. Its identifying who’s susceptible and spamming them like mad with things the data you have on them says will work specifically.
There’s a real core of people in every country thats incredibly easy to wind up with emotive narratives that have enough truthyness to override what might otherwise be sound critical judgment skills.
America’s real problem is that the direct line to those people and their data is owned by a very small group of very wealthy people. On top of that, you have interference from a country that seems to some how be even better than America at foreign election interference and they’re very pro trump.
That’s before you get to the Democrats who, even if they were or weren’t any good, have to sell their soul to the highest bidder just to come close to Republican election spending. The side who spends the most is always the side who wins and a democrat will only ever be given enough money to win if they compromise to an extent that they’re, right or wrong, not different enough for a lot of Americans.
My country’s greatest export is class subjugation. America’s is the manufacture of consent. America was amazing at it even before social media etc. which would be a dictators dream. Now, I’m not saying the people with all the power are as bad as bad as stalin or anything like that. But, with something like that at your disposal, you wouldn’t have to be.
TLDR: America is the ever evolving blueprint to how consent will be manufactured around the world.