Mine is they shouldn’t have made the sequel series without George as a consultant.
My hot take, is that star wars pieces of media are only considered “good” if the viewer was too young to perceive the politics in the work when they first saw it. There are exceptions like rogue one/andor, but I think it mostly holds.
Dune is what Star Wars wanted to be. (I’m talking the movies)
A few times I’ve seen Dune referred to as Star Wars for Goths. Seems fitting from a strictly superficial standpoint.
The shouldn’t have made a sequel trilogy without coming out with a plan
That is the ice-coldest of takes lmao
The sequels would’ve fared better if they didn’t have underlying tones of trying to appeal to minorities. They should’ve just been made with the same old flash and flare of the movies and shows before it and nobody would’ve complained as much. The only reason they’ve been shit on is because all of them starred a Mary Sue character and people noticed how woke the movies were trying to be.
Oh and Darth Vader is stupidly overrated. There are Sith who I can argue, who can wipe the floor with him.
The Mary Sue isn’t a problem (well it is, but not a big one), the issue is with them killing off and shitting on previously established characters. Luke suddenly isn’t the chosen one, all he did was kill his dad and a dude that later returns “somehow”. Luke, whose entire deal is that he doesn’t give up on people and sees good in them even when they are lost to the dark side, gives up on a young teenager. Palpatine claims the Skywalker name. Also the lightsaber battles were crap, the actors didn’t learn them as much as the ones in prequels did, they werenn’t as elaborate. It is a lot of decisions that ruin the previous movies, basically discrediting the struggle of their characters.
One thing about the sequel lightsaber battles is that the lightsabers bounce way too much off eachother. That was clear as day when Rey first fought Kylo Ren in that snowy forest.
Yeah, that too. What pisses me off the most, is Kylo having a crossguard and doing fuckall with it. They had the option of introducing some cool HEMA moves, but they squandered it all and he is fighting the exact same as other jedis without a crossguard.
Regarding the lightsaber battles, it makes sense.
Prequels- full Jedi school teaching people how to fight, battles are big & elaborate.
OG trilogy: Vader was a Jedi, but 68% of him is droid parts so not quite as flashy as he used to be. Luke was taught by an actual Jedi, so he knows some stuff but he never went through school to learn things properly.
Sequels: I found a lightsaber & I’m gonna cosplay a Jedi! The only one with any actual training was Kylo, and he got expelled from school before he learned everything.
The rule is “rule of cool” not “rule of what makes sense”. The lightsaber duels suck, they should’ve polished them a lot better.
The best stories are revan and bane. The bane books and Kotor 1. Thats my take on it anyway
I loved A New Hope and thought The Empire Strikes Back was brilliant. I never recovered from the Muppets in the opening act of Return of the Jedi. None of the movies since then have gotten as high on the scale as “good”. The series have been a mixed bag, but none of them have had the grandeur of the first two movies.
It’s boring and it sucks
That’s not a hot take. Millions will agree with you. Especially Star Wars fans.
I agree it’s now boring and sucks.
I think Acolyte would have been a good show if they had ditched the kung fu gimmick and concentrated more on the writing. I think the overall story was a good idea that got buried under a mountain of marketing crap.
The EU was the only good thing about it, the movies were always kinda mediocre.
The EU books, games, and comics before the prequel movies was peak Star wars. Thrawn trilogy, young Jedi series, rogue squadron series, bounty hunter short stories, x wing and tie fighter games, old Republic games and comics, dark forces, etc.
You want a HOT take on Star Wars?
I love it. All of it. Games, movies, shows. All. Of. It. Sure, I’ve got some critiques, but even the prequels/sequels are a thrill ride. I love Star Wars and I don’t care about some dork on the internet’s opinion on it.
Ah, the negotiator!
A true hot take, one that I don’t share but take my upvote for your candor
This is the only hot take in this whole thread lol
My lukewarm take is that Star Wars has varied so greatly in quality from product-to-product, that any take that categorizes some of it as bad and some of it as good is a lukewarm, standard take.
Yes, most of these are standard takes.
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they shouldn’t have made the sequels as they are at all. they should’ve just adapted the books into movies.
The Star Wars universe is not interesting enough for all the TV show and movies being made. George Lucas is not Tolkien and the world building was fine enough for the original trilogy, but it’s simply too boring for more content. Tolkiens work gets more interesting as you learn more about the details. Star Wars is the opposite. The more information you get the less interesting it is.
Also the Jedis are just cops/soldiers. They are not inherently good.
I would say the 60 year period that all the movies occupy are not interesting enough for more content. Similarly to LOTR there are plenty of other time periods in which good content could be made but that makes it harder for Disney to cash in on familiar characters so they don’t pursue those options.
That’s more or less my take too. The world of the Star Wars universe feels huge and expansive, but in reality by the end of the original trilogy they had basically told all the interesting stories that were to be had about it. And even then, they were starting to run out of material for Return of the Jedi. They tried with the prequels, but as you say it mostly fell flat and ended up boring. The sequels started off more or less rehashing the original trilogy so they were at least entertaining, but that wasn’t enough for three movies and it turned into an absolute mess by the end.
The Last Jedi, especially if you don’t take into account The Rise of Skywalker’s sloppy reaction to it, is the best Star Wars movie since ROTJ, and maybe since Empire.
The Last Jedi is kind of like an AI hallucination: any given finger is very realistically rendered, but put together the hand doesn’t make sense.
Yes…
…except you clearly forgot about Rogue One.
Oh thanks for reminding me of my hot take: Rogue One is a thoroughly mediocre and boring movie that fails to give any of its characters personality or development. The only reason it has any acclaim is that it’s a “dark” plot in an otherwise saccharine franchise, and if the Star Wars set dressing was removed the whole movie would fall over like a potemkin village.
I do think it’s better than several of the main movies, but that’s not saying much.
I did not, though admittedly there’s a world where Rian Johnson takes pointers from some of R1’s action sequences and TLJ is even more clearly the best SW movie of the last thirty years.
It should have stopped after the OT.
One was enough
I was so invested in the OT… and no more movies came, so I accepted there wouldn’t be more movies.
As such when they came out and were shitty, I didn’t mind as much.
That’s made it easier for me to dip in and enjoy some of the new content. I’m not expecting it to be good, and can be surprised when it is.
Yeah, but it’s kind of like having a park where you used to play as a kid, but then people start dumping garbage there, and trashing the playground, and leaving cigarette-butts and needles in the grass. Maybe you can find a little corner where you can remember how it used to be, but then you see the rest of it.
