Is it bots? Are those humans whos mission is to cause chaos? Is the weird behaviour caused by the creation of the concept of lemmy?
Somebody please explain to me wtf is going on.
They answer destructive comments, assuming shit, demanding shit. Are they trolls?
Are they being paid for causing chaos? It’s insane
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I have been doing the “The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love” book club at [email protected] recently which has been my only real interaction with hexbear. The book club has been great so far and if anyone wants to talk about feminism and masculinity should join.
There are a lot of in-group signaling across their own users which mostly shows up with acronyms, specific phrases and calling everyone comrade. This hasn’t been that difficult in the book club which is long form text and discussion and everyone is respectful and nice. That being said I have blocked a few communities at hexbear because I have found them annoying and taking over my feed. So like everything here at Lemmy I had curate my own experience
They like to argue So I’ve seen
No, they don’t, they’re very quick to delete comments from and ban users who disagree with their groupthink.
The very last thing a hexbear user wants is a genuine argument.
I’ve heard that too
I think you just want to be protected from opinions of others and you call it chaos because your mind can’t handle it.
And what’s even more interesting, the more sheltered you live your life, the more chaotic you will think the world is.
Good news is that if you stay on Lemmy.world, you will be protected from it. :)
Uh, no, hexbear is fucking crazy lol.
Objectively it’s not, since it’s an opinion that comes from you as a consumer.
No he’s right, they actively engage aggressively with anyone who does not share their views and it’s pretty unsubtle. Ignore and block them, you can’t have honest discussions with them so why bother?
I never said it wasn’t subjective. Someone or something being crazy is a subjective agreement of the majority. And those bitches are crazy.
Ah, a hexbearian found this post
Hexbear is sweet. Those people care more about the average human than liberals could ever imagine. If you dont understand them, try learning instead of being confused forever. I post this knowing I’ll get dunked by .world, but this is what solidarity looks like.
Ah spoken like a true Tankie.
They care about the average human
Just 2 months ago they were celebrating the death of inocent civilians in 9/11 as if it was a holiday.
my ex and i incorporated 9/11 jokes into our sex life five years ago. it’s been long enough
I don’t mind jokes on the topic. It definitely wasn’t some jokes, tho, they were actively celebrating it, wishing each other a happy 9/11 and hoping for a similar event to happen soon.
I don’t know, for me it went past the “just a prank, bro” scale.
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Hahahaha, right, right, which is exemplified with them telling people to die, right?
Take your gaslighting elsewhere.
Unfortunately we are supposed to be circle jerking the same opinion here, didn’t you get the memo?
Different instance, different ideology.
Example: there used to be a nazi insrance called exploding-heads.com (or was it .net?anyways, doesnt matter), basically you just dont interact with them, eventually they got defedersted by many instances.
Lemmygrad and Hexbear are Marxist Leninists, the same ideology of USSR and China. Get it now?
If you disagree, just block their instance in your user settings.
Unfortunately, blocking an instance in settings don’t block their users from commenting in other instance’s communities. So you gotta either (1) use an app to block the users too, or (2) find an instance that defederates them.
(2) is the only real solution, they bypass the user-level block by reposting their propaganda in every community and instance that tolerates them so blocking them on your own doesn’t really do anything.
While most users on hexbear are MLs, there’s still contingents of anarchists, like 2 trots, and some other left ideologies.
Ahhh, that’s what the alt-right instance was called. Thank you. I was consistently getting hexbear and exploding heads crossed in my head. For … some reason.
What I really like about lemmy is the system critical mentality.
I don’t have a problem with people having different political ideologies. But I think that constructive discourse is in everyone interest. These people dgaf. They are everything but constructive.
Regardless of ideology, there are just some people with whom you will never be able to have a rational discussion.
Tankie authoritarians…maga incels…the block button works on them all.
It… Depends. There are ways of having a productive discourse. But it’s slow, and it doesn’t work well online.
It’s a combination of tankies and some more level headed leftists. They do have a decent proportion of OK users and decent memes, but the frequent genocide denialism and too many tankies have resulted in a lot of blocks.
I’m sort of new to Lemmy, having only been here a few months, and I started my first account here in world, the one I am commenting with.
What I found is that world has many cool and fun and interesting communities, but for news ( world or USA centered) is really centralist USA based. World has cut off access to many other cool and interesting communities that may have different viewpoints here and there.
I think the few experiences by trolls here from other communities is more of a walled garden thing, and if world has a more inclusive mix this would solve a lot of issues .
Me migrating to another instance still allows me to participate here in world, and I simply ignore what I don’t like here and elsewhere.
Honestly, world has as many issues with gatekeeping and power hungry mods as instances and the only way to get the full lemmy experience is to pick and chose what fits best with oneself
Yup, that’s pretty much spot on. I don’t really have a problem with .world myself, but I do hear a lot about admin powertrips.
I think the few experiences by trolls here from other communities is more of a walled garden thing, and if world has a more inclusive mix this would solve a lot of issues .
You say be more inclusive of tankies and I say learn about the paradox of tolerance.
It’s not wall to wall tankees , this is only a minority. Which for the non tanker, can be avoided and ignored.
I was talking more of a general problem by deciding what I wanted to censor myself rather than letting others do it for me. Baby and bath water analogy and all that.
And this extends way beyond tankees and piracy.
And since people are talking about hexbear, it does have the best Syrian news coverage
If you call out genocide denialism you get banned. That’s enough for me to consider it wall to wall tankies
If you call out genocide denialism you get banned.
Which is the reason I stopped participating in some of world’s news and political communities, but because of a different genocide.
But I certainly did not go running to a community that promoted denial of other crimes. Instead I use the power of lemmy to pick and chose healthy communities.
Each instance has communities which are toxic.
That’s true in general.
Indeed I’ve witnessed Palestine denial on .world, but I’d hardly call it the prevailing sentiment on any mainstream comm there. Each time the comment would be ratioed and loudly disagreed with, which is encouraging.
I will acknowledge that .world mods have some serious pet projects and issues which is very concerning.
It’s something that is sporadically done, by some people based on the phase of the moon or what they feel like; but it’s tolerated by the other mods.
One does not see it much unless it happens to oneself or it’s read about elsewhere. However it certainly has an effect and perhaps is one of the reasons there are cycles of low engagement ( or at least lower than normal). Often people like me who have issues with it just quietly go elsewhere, which I more or less done.
But once I moved away, choosing a non political server as my new home, I was exposed to all the communities world blocks, and it was then I realized I had been censored
Yep. If you have nine tankies sitting at a table and a person joins them you have 10 tankies sitting at the table. It works the same as it does for fascists.
It’s like saying that there we’re good people in Nazi germany. Therefore we should have tolerated Hitler. Why?
insert cutesy pic of young Stalin
I feel the same but ive given up on Lemmy. Probably need to find another platform for more grown up discussions.
Even reddit is far better. Hate to say it but it’s true.
I think any large collection of people online are going to have issues similar to here; and while the distributed social networks have a distressing tendency to bunch up and get tribal, it’s better than only one instance, such as Reddit.
That said, I think these can be improved later
Tell us if you find a better alternative.
You won’t
Its a people problem, not a platform problem.
I know. But there are different platforms catering to different people, interests etc. I’m part oft some Linux, Free Software, special interest forums. And there definitely are communities with a very different atmosphere… So I wouldn’t say it’s impossible just because people are people.
Please remember that some people don’t know the lingo yet.
New people for example. New people who might come to this thread trying to learn about the different instances.
They’ve got Google.
The problem is that the tankies are running the instance and get off on banning anyone that doesn’t toe the line of the party ideology.
The “Just Kidding, but maybe not” kind of memes are both common in the tankie group as well in the right-wing group, which makes me thing it’s just the same people with different costumes, also known as a reskinned model.
If you go far enough left, you end up back on the right.
Lol I literally got banned from ml for “horseshoe theory”
I would argue authoritarian ‘leftism’ is just a misnamed right wing ideology wearing the sheepskin of socialism, where as Anarchism / Libertarian Socialism is the ‘real’ far left.
Horseshoe theory
Authoritarians are authoritarian first. Left or right is an afterthought. No horseshoes required.
That is the base of the horseshoe theory.
Only if you have a juvenile concept of political Spectrum. That only extends across one dimension. Leninists are barely nominally left-wing. In practice most of them are State capitalist and not at all left wing.
In practice social Democrats and even Democratic socialists tend to be more left-leaning than leninists. And don’t feel a reactionary need to Slaughter or imprison those that disagree with them regularly. I mean if we are going by the providing social benefit to your chosen class of people qualifies a socialism. Then that would make the Nazis socialist. Which they most definitely we’re not.
Why would democratic socialists be less left-leaning than social democrats?
The order was not meant to be significant. And purely just a construct of a stream of consciousness speech to text. Though you aren’t wrong.
Yes, the theory comes from the superficial observation that the actions of the extremes look very similar. And when your head is being crushed by the boot of authoritarianism you don’t care if it is the right foot, or the left foot wearing it.
At one time there were many concepts of what Socialism is, and at the time nazism was A socialism, of course completely opposite of the concepts that survived.
Hardly. Lennonism still exists. It’s highly similar. In fact linen and Stalin helped Hitler invaded Poland. And exterminated their own ethnic polish population in Russia. Leninists still defend these actions to this day and hypocritically criticize “the west”.
“reskinned model”, lol, interesting application of the concept. I like.
Sounds like political compass shit, left or right, but primarily in the “authoritarian” top half
The Political Compass doesn’t actually mean anything, you cannot simplify political views to a grid, moreover nobody is “authoritarian,” people have different views on centralization vs decentralization.
The political compass has got to be the most bullshit metric, I’m according to the compos a left libertarian. It doesn’t account for theory and for people who are marxist and understand that communism has not yet materialised. Anyway just a slight annoyance i have.
It’s that horseshoe again.
Far left and far right, hand in hand, both reminiscing for a 1950s that never existed. One in Russia and one in America.
They have a zero-tolerance policy for political viewpoints that differ from their own. That becomes a breeding ground for an extremely toxic echo chamber.
Nope, just good ol’ fashioned communists! Beware the red scare!
Hexbear isn’t being paid for anything, they are largely made up of Anarchists and Marxist-Leninists. Hexbear has been unafilliated with Lemmy for years before integrating with Lemmy a year ago.
You might be seeing their zero tolerance policy for liberalism in action, but if you genuinely want to know what their users are about, just visit it. Just hop on over to Hexbear.net and scroll the news megathread and whatnot, try to understand what’s going on.
Finally, I want to question why you believe anyone would be paid to mess with Lemmy, moreover when the lead developers are aligned fairly closely on ideological lines. If they were here to “cause chaos,” why would the devs support them ideologically? To ruin their own network? That narrative is just a wild hypothesis.
Demented illogical people. Also angry and bloodthirsty. Best to not interact. Waste of time.
Just block people you don’t want to interact with. My instance isn’t even federated with Hexbear but there are still people fitting that description. And plenty of folks there didn’t fit that description.
Bunch of 14 year olds. If not physically, mentally
I was once an edgy online 14 year old idealist, my behavior was identical.
that’s insulting to 14 year olds
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Any link to doxxing?
Can’t say I’ve noticed a problem tbh.
Me neither. Of course I have the instance blocked and every user I see comment; so that probably helps.
I can’t either.
They were founded after being kicked off reddit, then self isolated from the fediverse for years, creating the echoiest of echo chambers. It’s like those Appalachian families that were so isolated they basically developed their own culture, language and all. They’ve spent too long “struggle sessioning” together and driven out any of the more reasonable users with their purity tests. They think they’re the “true” Lemmy users and only refederated to “spread the word” and antagonize all the “liberals” (read: anyone that’s not 100% with them). The one thing I dislike about my server is that they haven’t defederated from that place.
purity tests
What purity test exactly do you feel is too much? Respecting pronouns? Not supporting capitalism? Not doing racism? I’m not aware of anything they ban for that any reasonable leftist shouldn’t pass.
I’m not aware of anything they ban for that any reasonable leftist shouldn’t pass.
Not sucking Xi’s or Putins dick for one, tankie
Anti-imperialism should not wrap around to supporting everyone and everything fighting against the imperial core. You can theorize about the social conditions that inevitably led to Putin’s existence or share statistics about development in China, but you shouldn’t ignore it when either does something bad just because “the US is also doing that/something similar!!!”
I didn’t say ban.
Found the hexbearian. 🤦🏼♂️
Any server federated with them is unusable as far as I’m concerned.
I mean… Fuck liberals though
What do you mean “they think they are the true Lemmy users?” Most on Hexbear only browse the local feed. Secondly, which struggle session got rid of the “reasonable people?” Are you referring to the time they kicked out all of the transphobes, and now have one of the largest concentrations of trans individuals on Lemmy? Genuinely, what “reasonable” opinion has been discarded?
and antagonize all the “liberals” (read: anyone that’s not 100% with them).
Yup
It’s like those Appalachian families that were so isolated they basically developed their own culture, language and all.
Very apt description. You forgot the inbreeding part; very much relevant for Hexbear.
It’s like those Appalachian families that were so isolated they basically developed their own culture, language and all.
The fediverse has eyes.
Thank you! You seem like a pre-Reddit-fallout-lemmy-user :)
I specifically chose my instance because it’s not blocking or blocked by too many instances. I like the input from most sides, but will not comment much on hexbear posts I guess. Not worth it.
I ended up moving instances (I was on the same instance as you) but the incessant propaganda becomes too much and their users get a free-pass to defend it without consequences so I decided to move to one that blocked them (and the other 2 problematic instances).
One note, “liberal” to them is synonymous with “nazi,” and they do actually, openly, want to kill you for being one (from this comment alone lol, and me too, and everyone else they label liberal). They’re losers who will never succeed in revolution, and most of them won’t do anything beyond cry online, but they should still be considered dangerous and untrustworthy as one of them is liable to pull some dumb shit in the name of their religion and their god Marx (yes it is a religion if they treat it like one.)
