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I love to poke at people’s conception of Western with these questions:
Is New Zealand Western?
Is Japan Western?
Is Brazil Western?
Is South Africa Western?
Is Kenya Western?
Is Lebanon Western?
Is Israel Western?
Is Hungary Western?
Is Finland Western?
Is Russia Western?
Is Armenia Western?If your nation was within NATO, it’s likely western If after the collapse of the USSR, your nation joined EU, it’s likely western And anything outside this category would be third world or eastern (Russia, China, Vietnam)
I realise you were just offering a hueristic, but Ironically all of the three countries you listed were Second World nations. (I’ve also never heard Eastern used in a similar way to Western in the way you used it at the end there before.)
Australia isn’t Western then, but Romania is?
That’s because east-west is not based on the region, it’s based on cultural aspects, along with a few other things like how people communicate. This is why Australia is western as it has a western culture. So, the whole cold war NATO thing is not 100% accurate, but defining first, second, and third world is since those are defined by political ideologies.
Well yes, First (Cold War era capitalists), Second (Communist, Marxist, and Maoist nations), and Third World (non-aligned and all the rest of them) are all clearly defined.
Western is more nebulous, which is why I like to push back at it. Each person’s idea of “Western” tends to be a little different.
If we’re taking the cultural root then Brazil, Israel and Lebanon make a nice test cases.
Edit: oh, you’re making the case that Western = First World Nations. That’s a fair and valid short cut, with Japan/South Korea/RoC, and various oost-Communist states in Europe.
Wait was Australia not in NATO? oh shit
Apparently people who speak English
The French, Polish, Dutch, etc. are now reclassified as Asians
I’ve always wondered why it’s not double v, but I say double you
I looked into it once before, the short answer is because the letter predates the distinction between “u” and “v”.
Edit: Here’s a comment I made a while ago on the same topic with a little more information: https://lemmy.world/comment/10659648
dabulu
Double V (pronounced double vé, so it’s double you in English).
www is “double vé double vé double vé” in France, but often said “vévévé” in Switzerland. I believe that’s coming from the German speaking part of the country and adapted to French language.
Funny, opposite shortening in English - “double you double you double you” often becomes “dubdubdub”
Same in Denmark. I think it’s only English that’s weirdly pronouncing it as “double you”, even though the letter “W” is clearly two V’s 😁
When handwritten in English it’s typically the curvier U shape.
“Dibby dubs”
In portuguese, we say “dáblio” (dah-bli-u)
In Dutch we pronounce it like “way”. It’s much shorter than double U.
But we make up for that with griekse y, korte ei and lange ij! All pronounced [ɛi], similar to ‘eye’.
That’s true! I’m honestly not sure why we need to have both ei and ij. Must be difficult for people learning the language.
It is also for those who grew up with the language. If I have no spellcheck, I sometimes just have to write it both ways and see which way feels ‘right’.
I am fancy, so I say double ewe.
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“I love sheep” ~ Richie Cunningham
Double yew.
Reilly: Dary, do you know how many dudes are jerking off to your girlfriend right now? Yew! Jonesy: Wait, I actually know the answer. Yew. Sixteen point one thousand. Yew!
in english: double you in german: ve (german e, idk how to tell it to someone only knowing english)
German: sounds like “vay”
That’s something I’ve never understood about German or Russian. Both languages have letters that make the English w sound yet they have trouble with it? It’s not like the “th” sound which doesn’t exist in German so it makes no sense to me.
If you can pronounce the sound why can’t you pronounce it for w’s??
The German w sounds like the English v, while the German v sounds like the English (and German) f.
IPA of the German word “wir”: /viːɐ̯/
IPA of the English word “with”: /wɪθ/
I actually had to look it up, but in German the /w/ sound doesn’t really exist? In some dialects the “qu” string is pronounced as /kw/ [according to Wikipedia] but in most it’s pronounced as /kv/ - at least that’s how I’d pronounce it and I’m mostly talking in Standard High German.
Double you
I’m a silly lil guy so I pronounce it “Wubble Wu” for fun.
I’m American, fwiw. Formally I say “double you,” informally I say “dub.”
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When talking about the letter of the alphabet, I say “double u”
When that letter occurs in a word, it’s pronounced with pursed lips and full throated vowel sound like in “water”
Double you
dubbuhlyou
