Honestly it should be both. Restaurants should pay minimum wage at the very least and then customers should be able to tip if they want. I have no issue tipping if the server did a good job. However, I’m not going to tip bad service.
I don’t know. I don’t think people who work as servers can affect if the food is bad, or if kitchen messes up stuff… They just take your order and get your food. I’m not sure why they should also act like they like you, and you are their favorite person in the world when you come into the restaurant… :)
I know you didn’t say any of that and with good service, thats maybe not what you meant. Just wanted to say my own opinion about service… I guess I don’t expect them to be fake and I don’t like it if they are.
I can see where you are at. I mean if a server is good then im more likely to be a repeat customer so its something the owner should take into account. Maybe the whole thing should be flipped on its head and it should be treated like a sales role and they get a percent of sales.
The same goes for the cook though. If the food is good I’m more likely to come back. And the people who do the cleaning - if the restaurant is clean I’m also more likely to be a repeat customer. So perhaps let the whole team have a percent of sales.
This is the best option. I had a restaurant owner that lives in a millions of dollars home, say that raising the minimum wage would make it hard for them to survive. Okay.
I’m not going to be a dick to them. I know they can’t control what happens in the kitchen or other customers.
What I care most about is if they are reasonably attentive and nice to talk to. They don’t need to be to crazy but they also should care about my experience somewhat. Typically I tip around 15% but if the service is really bad I’ll go lower and if I feel they did exceptionally I’ll complement them and leave something closer to a 20% tip
Especially because a lot of people in this thread seem to protest the tipping system by just not tipping. That only hurts the worker, y’all. It isn’t gonna change the system.
If nobody tipped the restaurants would have to pay their service staff or they would have no employees.
In most of the world tipping is optional or tops out at 15% as a reward for exceptional service. They get paid to do their job since the cost of food already has the cost of service in there.
It’s one of those things that would help in a mass coordinated action, but accomplishes nothing and does harm as a solitary act. I’ve never seen anyone even suggest a mass coordinated action on this, which leads me to believe that most people who don’t tip out of “protest for the system” are actually primarily motivated by saving themselves a buck, since that is the one thing it accomplishes. See, I have “thought about it,” and I don’t think people who don’t tip truly have.
Part of the reason it shard to change the system is because of resistance from the waiters who make a lot of money from tips, so yes, not tipping does help change the system.
It would help as a mass coordinated action, which I’ve never even seen anyone bother to suggest. Maybe organize a no-tip day, maybe get some servers involved so it can really be about changing things for the better for them.
But I’ve never seen even an inch of that, which leads me to believe that what we have here is a bunch of people who don’t tip in order to save thrmselves a buck which, let’s face it, is the only thing they accomplish. They tell themselves it’s a gesture against an unjust system in order to salve their conscience (another totally selfish act).
Maybe the restaurants should pay their employees so customers don’t have to pay them? I know it’s a radical thought.
Honestly it should be both. Restaurants should pay minimum wage at the very least and then customers should be able to tip if they want. I have no issue tipping if the server did a good job. However, I’m not going to tip bad service.
I don’t know. I don’t think people who work as servers can affect if the food is bad, or if kitchen messes up stuff… They just take your order and get your food. I’m not sure why they should also act like they like you, and you are their favorite person in the world when you come into the restaurant… :)
I know you didn’t say any of that and with good service, thats maybe not what you meant. Just wanted to say my own opinion about service… I guess I don’t expect them to be fake and I don’t like it if they are.
I can see where you are at. I mean if a server is good then im more likely to be a repeat customer so its something the owner should take into account. Maybe the whole thing should be flipped on its head and it should be treated like a sales role and they get a percent of sales.
The same goes for the cook though. If the food is good I’m more likely to come back. And the people who do the cleaning - if the restaurant is clean I’m also more likely to be a repeat customer. So perhaps let the whole team have a percent of sales.
good point.
This is the best option. I had a restaurant owner that lives in a millions of dollars home, say that raising the minimum wage would make it hard for them to survive. Okay.
I’m not going to be a dick to them. I know they can’t control what happens in the kitchen or other customers.
What I care most about is if they are reasonably attentive and nice to talk to. They don’t need to be to crazy but they also should care about my experience somewhat. Typically I tip around 15% but if the service is really bad I’ll go lower and if I feel they did exceptionally I’ll complement them and leave something closer to a 20% tip
I hate to break this to you, but the customer pays in all scenarios.
But, yes, the employer should pay a living wage and include their overhead costs into the price of the goods.
Wages should not be dependant on the kindness of strangers.
I’m not mad about paying it. I’m mad that the employer is treating it as an option and not an obligation
Especially because a lot of people in this thread seem to protest the tipping system by just not tipping. That only hurts the worker, y’all. It isn’t gonna change the system.
If nobody tipped the restaurants would have to pay their service staff or they would have no employees.
In most of the world tipping is optional or tops out at 15% as a reward for exceptional service. They get paid to do their job since the cost of food already has the cost of service in there.
It may actually change the system. Think about it.
It’s one of those things that would help in a mass coordinated action, but accomplishes nothing and does harm as a solitary act. I’ve never seen anyone even suggest a mass coordinated action on this, which leads me to believe that most people who don’t tip out of “protest for the system” are actually primarily motivated by saving themselves a buck, since that is the one thing it accomplishes. See, I have “thought about it,” and I don’t think people who don’t tip truly have.
Part of the reason it shard to change the system is because of resistance from the waiters who make a lot of money from tips, so yes, not tipping does help change the system.
It would help as a mass coordinated action, which I’ve never even seen anyone bother to suggest. Maybe organize a no-tip day, maybe get some servers involved so it can really be about changing things for the better for them.
But I’ve never seen even an inch of that, which leads me to believe that what we have here is a bunch of people who don’t tip in order to save thrmselves a buck which, let’s face it, is the only thing they accomplish. They tell themselves it’s a gesture against an unjust system in order to salve their conscience (another totally selfish act).