Forget neutral flags, they should be banned. Heck, Russia should be banned for doping, regardless of the war.
I have to wonder if Russia has ever really won a medal without cheating?
They’ve been caught cheating at the paralympics also. What’s next, the special olympics?
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You really enjoy being an asshole online, don’tcha? How cute.
I thought Russia was still banned for doping.
This would only be acceptable if Ukraine were also banned
Good lord, the comments on that article. I guess I shouldn’t expect any better from RT, but man it does really make me sad that so many people are happy living in a fantasy world where Ukrainians are the bad guys in this conflict.
If you think that’s bad you really don’t want to look at what’s goin on in Palestine.
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A lot of Palestinians died in that conflict. And they are, surprisingly, people too.
I think this is a bad faith reading of the other comment. Perhaps Warrior of Ukraine meant that they’re European, and as such is more emotionally and intellectually invested in the war in Ukraine than in the ongoing conflict of non-Europeans (which you rightly identified as “people too”, of course) in Palestine/Israel.
And I think I absolutely correctly read “Who cares about those people, they’re not Europeans”, and the quotes about the word conflict were just a cherry on top. The correct answer to whatabout is not “we should only care about my issue because I am important and you are less than that”.
I didn’t see that intention. Perhaps u/[email protected] would come back and clarify his intent. Otherwise, I largely agree with you. Whataboutism makes it as if when you care about one thing, you have to care about every thing, but no one person can fix every thing. It makes cynics of us all
Russia has declared war against Europe and will not stop until the last European is dead.
Wow this is news to me when did this happen
Plans have been discovered that Russia intended to invade other countries including Moldova and the other surrounding eastern European countries once they were done with Ukraine. Putin had no plans to stop his conquest, he wants to rebuild the Soviet Union.
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Racism
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That is going to require them to train their military or something. So I’m guessing it might be easier for them to just wait a couple of thousand years until all of Europe is underwater as it will be faster.
Good. I hope to see the EU and the country of “Ukraine” removed from the map. The world will know peace further than it does now if Russia were able to do that
Ukraine is the bad guy as they are fascist dictators who will (hopefully) be a former country in the future
Pretty sure invading another country for their natural resources doesn’t make you the good guys, no matter what excuse your country invents to justify their actions.
If Ukraine had not been threatening Russia by allowing NATO in, might not be an issue. Ukraine can continue to lose and I will enjoy the sight. Keep defending losing fascists
Seek mental help.
Says the literal Nazi-defended
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RT is propaganda
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All news is propaganda.
No.
Go Ukraine, but it’s official, this worldnews community has become ragebait, like the original one :/
It’s particularly upsetting because lemmy.ml is a major instance. IMO, moderation in this c/ is infrequent and underwhelming. I don’t mean to hang the mods out to dry; it would take a big team to wade through this effluent and tame the trolls. The hostile “Here comes the Reddit refugees” and “OMG Tankie brigade” shit is just the easy stuff. A rule on lazy whataboutism would help the signal/noise ratio as well. This post is from RT, about Ukraine/Russia/Belarus but the biggest thread in here is rehashing the Iraq occupation. Can we just discuss the original topic? Is that so hard?
Can we just discuss the original topic? Is that so hard?
When your entire schtick is anti-westernism then yeah it is that hard. I really don’t mind the comrades at lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml, they generate some thought provoking content at times. However their blind, predictable, and endlessly repeated talking points are tiresome in the same way that an invasion of Fox News viewers would be.
Another centerist attempting to equivicate the left who wants civil rights for all to the right who want to melt anyone the left advocates civil rights for. Yes, your rainbow capitalism will certainly save this planet.
This post is from RT, about Ukraine/Russia/Belarus but the biggest thread in here is rehashing the Iraq occupation. Can we just discuss the original topic? Is that so hard?
This is why so many instances defederate from hexbear, they do this in every comment section. Just turn it into whataboutism against the US, and add nothing to the topic that’s actually being discussed by the article. They’re basically lemmygrad but brigade comment sections more often.
Yeah, hexbear is trashy authority propaganda.
Brigading is their entire purpose for existence on this site, they actively plot to harass and invade other instances to deny people a platform and talk about where to spread their “forces” next. They were taking bets on where they’ll be defederated next. They were never on this platform to participate in good faith.
Instances defederate from hexbear because of emoji spam more than anything else.
Defederation because of political views is, frankly, dangerous for democracy.
This isn’t about their political views in particular, this is about them brigading comment sections and derailing from the original topic and shouting down anybody who disagrees.
Defederation because of political views is, frankly, dangerous for democracy.
What? This is such a ridiculous claim I’m not even sure where to start. Federation does not equal democracy, and defederation from a shitty spammy instance has zero impact on democracy.
And also don’t forget the mass spam of oversized emojis and pictures of pigs shitting.
Democracy is built on discourse of opposing views. If we just censor all opposing views, then what the fuck is even the point?
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Yet, people with these political views do exist in our society. We need to find a way to integrate them into society, not isolate them.
There’s about as much discourse here as rival football hooligans having it out in the streets. A lot of violence but it doesn’t really change the score. What’s the point of talking when no one’s listening?
Defederation is not censorship. All it means is that nobody on that instance wants to hear your bullshit, and are showing you the door. You’re able to make an account on another federated instance if you wanted to hear those vitriolic, harmful people.
Re: “dangerous for democracy”. That’s a little hyperbolic, don’t ya think?
I don’t support defederation. I think the calls for defederation strictly arise from political clashes that boil out of control and people that don’t remember the Internet-that-was, before Reddit. “Free speech absolutist” wasn’t a thing because no one pictured their little forum as mattering that much. Forum moderation wasn’t about enforcing a specific world view or preserving an echo chamber, it was about preserving civil discourse. And since I’m typing this out I might as well add that I think if I was to dust off an early 90’s or 2000’s mod hat, I’d do the following:
- Referring to other commenters as reddit refugee/hexbear/liberal/grad/imperialist/shill/anti-westerner 's is a 3 day ban
- Bringing up the Iraq War, Tienanmen Sq, etc is a 3 day ban. Not some conspiracy to bury the truth. It’s because everyone’s friggin’ heard it already and we definitely don’t need more of it.
- Lazy whataboutism is a 1 day ban. This is vaguely defined for a purposeful chilling effect.
- War Is Bad. When not the topic of the article, fantasizing about a US-Ruso conflict/popular uprising/Taiwan invasion/WW3 is a 1 day ban.
What do people want this place to be? A place where all sides can meet (if they strictly behave)? An echo chamber? A raging angry gladiator pit? Like I said above, as a major Lemmy instance, this place should be downright boring and the extremists can retreat to other instances better suited to their anger.
What makes you angry about this?
It’s not this, it’s this whole subreddit. Might as well call it world_politics_gore_debate_bait.
subreddit
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Edit: You ever see somebody say something dumb and then they unabashedly double down? Yeah.
Exactly, this subreddit.
Look up “metaphor” in a dictionary and stop doubling down on your mistaken shallow interpretation of what you just read.
Trying to say calling a Lemmy community a subreddit is a metaphor lmao
Also, you came back to the comments without getting a notification to reply to the edit? Dude, go outside lol
Here, I’ll do it for you:
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/metaphor/
Work today was a nightmare!
You: no, nightmares are not real life, you’re wrong.
You are my shining star.
You: There are no stars on Earth, you’re a moron and I’m dumping you.
Look at this pigsty!
You: This subreddit is not a pigsty, you are an illiterate moron
That athlete is a machine.
You: go learn what a machine is, you’d never make it as an engineer, because I’m in your head and know you didn’t intentionally mean to use a metaphor, because I’m full of myself and you’re a dumb anon.
The difference between you and me in this respect is that I have no shame in apologizing when wrong, while you not so much. Why am I losing time with this? Because people like me have an interest in having people like you be a little less self-righteous.
The rare quadruple down on the dumb. Calling a lemmy community a subreddit is not a metaphor, it’s objectively wrong. No matter how many non-applicable examples you provide. How are you this dense? (That’s rhetorical btw)
Because people like me have an interest in having people like you be a little less self-righteous.
lmfao the projection of writing this at the end of the most self righteous comment I’ve read on lemmy yet is delicious.
Here’s the neutral flag:
Just ban Russia and Belarus from participating FFS. Don’t even let them in under neutral flags.
Hard disagree. Ukraine should be prevented from participating and Russia and Belarus should be treated like normal countries
less competition for the ukrainian teams ;)
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This reminds me of that fencing incident.
Keep Ukraine out then
They can go join the enhanced games. Enhanced games
Edit: They = russia/ Belarus
Both countries and the games can mutually destroy each other
We’ll see what comes first, Zelenskyy getting deposed or the Olympic games
Maybe you wanted to say putin. Ukrainians are with Zelenskiy and he’s with his people.
The east of his country isn’t and he has no control over the army. Putin’s support increased during the war.
Putin support increased so much that civilians were actively supporting a coup against him, nice
You consider Wagner ‘civilians’?
No, but civilians were bringing food and water to Wagner mercenaries.
Russians love so much Putin that when they oppose him they get Novchok-ed or threw out of windows, they love him so much that their fiercest criticism to him is “I don’t follow politics”
But the Wagner mercenaries in Ukraine say that they don’t support Prigozhin’s coup attempt
Only oligarchs get that treatment, a far cry from the US. And the Communist Party is the 2nd biggest party in Russia, and the most critical of United Russia & Putin.
Maybe not the Ukrainians he is committing genocide against though
So Zelensky is committing genocide against Ukrainians but Putin instead is the nice guy here? Great reasoning 👍
Putin is preferable
Now we’re up to $900 per US household for this Ukraine stuff. Let’s throw a few more bucks at it to buy flags. Great use of taxpayer dollars. Sure, Jan.
Most of which are armament that the US government already had in its arsenal. You’ve spent the money and now those missiles are actually in use instead of being hold in storage. I’m actually more interested in that 900 USD amount, where did you read or hear that exact number?
This conflict has the potential to cause real change in Russia. We’re talking about potentially getting rid of Putin’s regime and it’s being done without sending any of our troops to die. The help Ukraine is getting isn’t charity, look at the bigger picture.
The help Ukraine is getting will go to nill when these fascists finally lose
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This Ukraine stuff is a war where 100.000 war crimes were reported, tens of thousands of civilians were killed raped and tortured, where hundreds of thousands of people lost their house.
I wouldn’t say it’s $900 per household because
- It’s from the defense federal budget, that you would’ve spent anyways
- The aid packages, expressed in dollars, are the sum of the value of the equipment sent to Ukraine, in vast majority which US already had
- The defence budget is there to be able to stand against the strongest adversaries: China and Russia. USA basically annihilated one of their enemies’ army without a single drop of blood.
You must be joking, 100K war crimes??? 10K rapes??? This isn’t Rwanda.
You haven’t heard of hyperbole, clearly. But it’s not far from the truth. Russia commits war crimes every day. It’s all their military is good for. They can’t fight a real force, so they blow up and murder civilians instead. To claim otherwise is misinformed at best, actively dishonest at worst.
Ok, Jen! 😂 I guess those leopards and bradleys blew up by themselves…
Oh, Jen 🤣 those kindergartens blew up by themselves
You mean the one that Ukrainian Mi-17 fell on to? Or the one hit by an AD Ukrainian missile? 🤷🏼
The government of Ukraine reports 103.325 war crimes, 9444 killed civilians, 16940 injured civilians. (war.ukraine.ua). You may legitimately considered these numbers inflated by the Ukrainian government, for this reason I can redirect you to the Wikipedia page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine containing plentiful of references and sources.
Are you genuinely going to believe numbers given by literal Nazis?
Why do you think the Ukrainians are Nazi? You’re clearly failing to understand that having a Nazi problem (like any country) does not imply the government is Nazi. You have seen images of men with their tattooed arms right? How does it mean that the government is Nazi? It’s Kremlin’s propaganda to discredit Ukrainians. Go see the polls and see how many far-right parties got (2%).
I linked a Wikipedia page, so there’s no need to “believe” as the war crimes are documented.
Now look at who’s committing genocide, deportations and tortures.
They let Nazis in the government through the Azov are in the military and allow Nazis in the military. That is the government.
And that Wikipedia article has absolutely shit sources so it should only be laughed at
Good riddance to Europe’s karens, then.
Someone call the Whaaambulance.
