Edit: I don’t drink alcohol, it’s just the best way to describe it. From comments I’ll be going on a low carb diet, thank you all.
Explanation: male, 38, 130 pounds. Skinny, low muscle mass but have a beer keg belly.
My day is 7am wake up. Get kids to school. Work until 5. Get kids from school. Cook, shower and then I’m exhausted AF.
I’m semi fit? I’m a mechanic professionally and spring til summer I mountain bike regularly. So my calves are monsters.
But would like… basic at home sit ups. Push ups etc like on a Saturday, would that help at all?
sorry for hijacking, i am also interested in the subject, commenting here to hopefully get some info. i’m 174cm / 84kg. i wear medium clothes, but my beer muscle shows up, it’s quite big. even through a sweater.
i don’t exercise (i work in it, from home mostly), but also, i barely eat. today i had 3 coffees (no sugar, little milk), some leftover stir fry (veggies, chicken, mie noodles) and an apple, and that’s common. i don’t eat sweets or junk food.
i cook almost every day, usually curries & rice, stir fry, pizza/pasta, soups and stews, but i rarely eat myself. i switch daily between chicken/pork/seafood/tofu/legumes for protein, but there’s always rice or pasta or bread.
i drink a couple beers in a week (on average), i drink very little water throughout the day, maybe half a liter.
i sleep very little too, about 5h on average (less during the week, more on weekends).
where should i start? what’s the most blatant issue on my list? i know, all, but… what would be the first?
You should go to your doctor so they’ll run some tests. It could be something medical and not just your diet and exercise. Plus you’ll get a baseline to compare later.
Write down what you actually eat in a day and look up roughly how many calories it is in total. You can search ‘chicken calories’ and there are websites that will tell you how many in say 100g of chicken breast or thigh. You can use those sites to look up calories for each food item. Sometimes we don’t realize how much we actually eat. Or It could be a gland or hormonal problem which again needs medical attention.
If you’re eating high carb, you can be building visceral fat. beer is just fermented bread. If you’ve been eating high carb, cut down to 100g of carbs per day or less. For me just cutting out the rice and making sure I had some sauce, salsa, etc to make sure the dish isn’t dry worked for me. I tried to stay closer to 50g of carbs per day, but unless you want to be a robot and eat the same dishes for 6 to 12 months, use it more as a guide line than a hard rule.
Since your lowering your carbs, you can raise your protein and fat to feel full. No rice, bread, pasta will make your plate looks sad and empty. Fill it with veggies. I always sautee my veggies.
As you lower your visceral fat, you’ll sleep better, which lowers your stress, which lowers your accumulation of visceral fat, which makes you sleep better, in a positive feed back loop which will give you energy and you can start taking walks. Which adds more positive feed back…
TL;DR go to your doc. Eat more protein and veg. very little rice, pasta, bread. Try it for a month and see if you feel better
i did have some blood tests back in december. everything was within parameters for someone my age & gender.
i’ll try the calories / carbs counting. based on how much i eat, i should be able to add it all up at the end of the day. i remember 10-15 years ago i dropped the sugar from my coffee and also stopped eating bread for a few weeks, and i dropped a few kg. i do eat veggies, it’s not just protein with rice. my kids love a salad with olive oil and lemon juice, and my stir fries and curries also have plenty of them. but noted!
thanks a lot for the tips!
The most blatant issue is not exercising. You don’t have to do anything drastic but adding an evening walk to your routine and changing nothing else would be really beneficial for you. If you added a few hours of walking per week and dropped the beer completely that would definitely tip the scales in your favour and you would see the weight dropping.
I would expect those two changes would benefit your sleep too
thanks! i commute once or twice per week to the office, and that’s some train, some walking. i average 5k steps per day, but with 10k when I go to the office. yesterday i did just under 1k.
i did check in with a specialist regarding my sleeping issues. it’s… complicated, but i’m working on it, part medication, part cpap machine :)
My advice to OP up thread would work for you too! https://hackertalks.com/post/6445964/6589425
Get your insulin under control and most things will self correct.
oh wow, very informative, thank you! (solid, hard belly for me)
The most blatant issue is the low water intake and the low sleep. Increasing the sleep and the water will help dramatically.
thanks! i am trying to, i got a large refillable bottle, but “i can’t be bothered” to refill it when it’s empty, my hyper focus keeps me glued to my chair… if i’m thirsty, i just take another cold coffee sip… 🤦♂️
unironically, most guys I know with the same problem just go for the novelty oversized bottles. seems to suit them well, and in a pinch the aluminum ones make for a hell of a club :D
Humans are horribly, miserably energy efficient.
Seriously we evolved as exhaustion predators: pick an animal and just keep walking after it until it drops, then eat it. That’s our whole schtick. We are the goddamn terminator.
Just being alive and breathing uses up about 1500-2000 calories a day.
An absolute bastard of a workout will use up maybe 100 on top of that, which makes up for like a spoonful of peanut butter.
As such, you can’t practically lose weight via exercise alone. You need to bring calories-in down to less than calories-out.
The tricky part is doing it in a controlled and sustainable manner so you don’t just say fuck it and scarf down two whole pizzas for lunch in a week’s time because you’re hangry and don’t care any more.
An absolute bastard of a workout will use up maybe 100 on top of that
An hour run burns like 600
At my weight (175 pounds) going 10k over an hour puts me at about this amount of calories. That’s 6.2 miles. I am in no way fit enough to be able to go that kind of distance, forget about the pace, which is sad to admit.
At a 15 minute mile, I would burn 120 calories/mile.
That’s not to say that you can’t burn significant calories exercising, it’s just that your average couch potato won’t be able to out of the gate. It’s far easier for me to reduce my intake by 120 calories/day than it jog a mile a day on average. Ideally you would do a bit of both.
Anything helps, of course. Anything is so much better than nothing.
You are skinnyfat, yes? You don’t want to lose weight, you want to add lean mass. Weights are what do that best. Ideally you would want to lift heavy at least thrice a week if you are trying to shape up.
I can only lift once a week lately (lady, mid 50s) but do yoga 4x/week too. It’s maintaining me reasonably lean.
I have been where you are (single working parent) and what I did back then was wake up at 5am and run, because that was the only time of day nobody needed anything from me, and running is nearly free, just shoes. It sucked, but the days I ran I did feel better later on, it was worth it overall I think. If there is any way you can wake up a half hour earlier and do something vigorous, and then add weight training once a week I think you will get good improvement. Just maybe not as much mass as you ideally want.
Not unless you stop drinking beer, no.
Exercise won’t change much.
What you need to do is eat less calories than you burn — so eat a little less, and you will lose weight.
Alternative: Teach kids to cook, on the premise of being a good dad. THEN kids cook ALL the meals!
Yeah! I made your life easier!
The human body is absurdly efficient. Fat weight is tackled by reducing calorie intake (using whatever tactic works for you). Exercise only makes a small difference by comparison.
Exercise can burn a ton of calories, but in order to be able to do that level of exercise you have to be reasonably fit. For someone who doesn’t have a ton of stamina, I agree that diet is much more effective.
Exercise in someone not particularly fit is also likely to trigger a stress response and their appetite will overcompensate. Exercise is good - everyone should be doing it - but for fat loss is pointless unless eating is well under control.
Nope.
Diet. Not exercise.
Nope, diet and exercise.
dudes a mechanic im sure OP gets plenty of strength training from that. could use another cardio activity tho when mountain biking isnt an option
I think you meant:
Yes
If you stop drinking beer and get a better diet.
Your beer belly, is it hard or jiggly?
If it’s a hard beer belly, that means you have lots of visceral fat, fat inside the rib cage. This is a strong indicator of metabolic syndrome.
The single best way to tackle that beer belly is to go low carb, this reduces your blood sugar, letting your insulin levels come down, allowing your body to actually function properly. The human body, really, really, really, really does not like visceral fat, and will remove it with urgency when allowed to.
If you like data, buying a continuous glucose monitor, then playing a game where you keep your glucose as flat as possible all day. The beautiful thing about this is you get instant feedback and know exactly how well your doing.
A absolutely great resource on doing this intervention is: https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb
This is the hormonal model of human metabolism, other people have mentioned calorie in calorie out CICO - which is technically correct, but practically unhelpful. Humans are amazing hormonal homeostasis machines, the hormones need to be functioning properly. You can eat 100 g of uranium, and have trillions of calories in your body, but you’re not going to be able to use it. It’s much better to get your hormones into balance and allow the body to self-correct and stay at optimal.
The great thing about going low carb, is you will lose that visceral fat, your blood pressure will improve, sleep will improve, pre-diabetes will improve, sexual function will improve… Basically everything, the metabolism touches every part of the body! Insulin is extremely important, getting it into control has massive benefits.
All of this! And you won’t even be hungry! If you’re doing low carb, you can eat as much as you want, as long as you keep your blood sugar down. BBQs steaks eggs bacon cheese, as much as you like at any time. Alcohol : avoid beers, if you must drink vodka or whiskey. – all of this works because your body will be able to tell you when you’re full. Have you ever eaten a steak, and it tastes absolutely delicious at the beginning, but the more you eat it the less and less delicious of tastes? That’s how all foods should be. that’s the human body self regulating. Sugar messes that system up!
Agree so hard about low carb. That was my key to finally losing weight (FAST) and keeping it off for years.
But what about jiggly fat? What’s the difference?
Jiggly fat, is excess adipose tissue. And that is also symptom of metabolic syndrome.
Visceral fat, hard fat, is a stronger indicator. Simply because it’s really unhealthy for the organs, so the body really doesn’t want to put anything there if it can avoid it.
I think people with jiggly fat know they’re unhealthy, it’s pretty obvious to them. But people of visceral fat can think they’re incredibly healthy, but not be. So it’s surprising for them.
Thanks for explaining.
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Nice, I subscribed.
Interesting. I would say yes it is more hard than jiggly, kind of i between but hard to say because of my small body size overall (5’7, 130lbs). I have an extremely high metabolism. I can eat whatever and dont necessarily gain extra weight. However I don’t drink alcohol, indent drink sodas, I try* to eat pretty healthy. But I love bread. So I eat a lot of bread, pastas etc.
Hmm. But you have opened my eyes to do some research as I never would have expected something other than exercise effecting me. When I was younger I had a flat stomach and abs and over time my belly just grew and nothing else lol.
I’ll check the the carbs stuff, I really appreciate it.
Hard vs jigggily is fairly straightforward to gauge. Sit down in jeans and a belt. Bonus points if neither stretch. Poke your belly near your belt. If it’s jigggily you will be able to palpitate some skin and fat before you get to a more solid layer. To make the transition even more obvious, flex your abs. If you have no idea what I’m on about, you have a hard belly.
if i poke my belly and flex my abs i can feel my abs flexing with my finger. so i would say its more squishy than jiggly. regardless. going to try low carb anyways lol. thank you
Is there a soft layer between your finger and abs that you can press through to get to your abs? It yes, jigggily and subconscious fat. If not, firm and visceral fat. Visceral is far worse for your health and is associated with higher carb diets.
Low carb is an excellent way to drop weight, regardless of what kind of fat you have.
Assuming you’re an adult, you’re already well inside the normal range of weight for your height. Based on that, it sounds like your eating habits aren’t terrible, so you are that unicorn that actually just needs to exercise more and you’re not eating all your hard work away. If you start feeling persistently fatigued, add a bit of carbs back to your diet. A little bit isn’t going to make your belly balloon back out. :) Good luck!
Based on that, it sounds like your eating habits aren’t terrible, so you are that unicorn that actually just needs to exercise more
TOFI : thin outside fat inside : is very common! That is 100% diet based
https://hackertalks.com/post/5592913
Something like 92% of westerns don’t have optimal metabolic health… Which is a polite way of saying only 8% are perfectly healthy, and the rest are on the sliding scale of insulin resistance
Thank you for the correction. I somehow completely skipped over OP’s main text in their post and went right to inferring stuff from their other comments and thought maybe they were young and had some body image issues. 38, skinny, but a beer keg belly definitely sounds like diet.
Any time, happy to answer any questions you may have. You can look at your last lipid panel, and look at the TG/HDL ratio, if its less then 1 then your insulin sensitive, but the higher it is over 1, the more insulin resistant you are. Insulin sensitivity is the real measure of metabolic health!
If you want to read more about this ratio https://hackertalks.com/post/5922188
Some people who can’t do low carb do time restricted eating, or intermittent fasting, i.e. one or two meals per day. This can also improve your insulin levels, the longer you can go without sugar the better for the body. This works, but I think its doing it on hard mode, because its like edging with sugar cravings, but it works for people who can’t give up their breads :)
i already eat 2 meals a day :( im doomed!
When I say exhausted I mean I’ve been active from 7am until around 8pm non stop. I just don’t have energy to go to a gym or something and I’d rather just wind down.
And I do a lot of cycling. I know it’s not “ultra mega workout” but I am active and when I mountain bike I can maintain my heart rate pretty well. I noticed my calves getting meatier and my stamina was pretty good at the end of the season.
So id like to think I’m fairly active… but a lot less when I was younger (drumming, skating, snowboarding, biking. Every day. 365)
Sounds like you have a pretty active lifestyle. If losing weight is the goal id definitely start with food.
Easiest targets is to reduce sugary drinks / and evening snacking / beer. It’ll make your wallet feel better too
Going from doing nothing to something one day a week will have dramatic effects. But didn’t expect it to happen overnight or to have the same effect as going 3 or 4 times a week. Even just doing however many pushups you can once per day is a very good way to start condition yourself so you can handle and enjoy getting into a gym eventually. Sit ups are pretty trash. Six packs are made in the kitchen is a common adage for a reason. If you can’t work your core any other way I’d suggest planks over sit ups though. If you can, get a pull-up bar and power blocks. I would strongly recommend intending to get to a gym eventually though. From personal experience having a home gym was a bit of self sabotage
Cook, shower and then I’m exhausted AF.
This probably because you don’t exercise. Exercise gives you energy and is an excellent anti depressant. Starting is always the hardest part but you’ll have more energy the rest of the day.
And more than anything, or even what you’re doing stick with it. Results take time. You’ll have days you think it’s doing nothing, you’ll miss days and think what’s the point of starting again, you’ll be disappointed with rate of progression and that’s always the biggest test.
You’ve gotten a lot of advice on here, but I don’t think I’ve seen this…are you able to “suck in your gut” if you try hard and it improves how it looks? If so, it might not even be visceral fat, but just poor muscle tone in your abdominal area. If this is it, then core strength exercises are the way to go. Practice sucking in that gut more and more until it becomes the default, and strengthen your abs and obliques.
I can suck it in, yes. And obviously it gets smaller the less bloated I am too (I’m lactose intolerant but live in WI and cheese is life)
Is there any chance that you have dysmorphia, not a gut? 130 at 5’7" for a guy sounds pretty thin, even if out of shape, and the description of your diet sounds like you are certainly eating to maintain only 130, not a metabolism thing. Husband is 5’9 and said he was skinny at 145, I am same height and was skinny at 125, like really very slender. So we are close to your height and think you probably want more lean mass not less fat.
I do stand by the previous advice, something vigorous in the morning and heavy weights as often as possible. There are a couple of things you have to prioritize so they will happen. Exercise is one of them. Besides the 5am runs, I have done 9pm gym sessions, 5:30 am jazzercise, find the time and don’t let go of it. Once it’s a habit you will feel better on a workout day than an off day.
But you may have to eat more, not less, and lift to get the result you want.
Working out isn’t the primary path to losing weight, though it is of course a big part of staying healthy.
You burn quite a lot of calories in a day just from being alive. The additional calories you’d burn from a brisk 20 minute walk might about to one cookie. It’s far easier to just not eat the cookie.
That’s interesting. I’d guess my career keeps me “fairly” fit then? I average 8,000 steps per shift, and sometimes I do “reps” with ratches and other word nonsense. (Mechanic)
This is all good info though, I had 0 knowledge about anything when asking my original question. I didn’t know there were even multiple types of fat on your body.
Doubtful. Exercise doesn’t contribute to weight loss nearly as much as people want to believe.
Your body gets used to exercise pretty quick.
If you’re not willing to significantly change your diet the exercise isn’t going to do squat.
exercise isn’t going to do squat
What if you do squats?
You’ll have sore legs
More information if your interested: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyqKj7LwU2RulAjHczohbx5OyJQ8TaFM0
…but I like cookies.
I’d happily walk a bubch if that means being able to eat more cookies
CICO
Calories in <<< calories out
You can lose your beer belly sitting on a sofa all day doing nothing, just as long as you’re intaking less calories than you burn.
You don’t have to work out at all. Just eat clean and don’t drink. It helps if you use a calorie tracker, so you know what you’re taking in numerically.
Yeah, I’m going tks tart tracking calories and carbs. I shouldn’t have to adjust my diet too much. Probably cut down on breads the most. I love bread. And I love cheese
In did keto for a while and also started strength training.
I did really well and went from about 270 to 184. I’ve since gone back up because i stopped everything sure to reasons.
I’m not here to recommend keto though. (Not against it but damn is it expensive!)
Why i bring it up is that i had to look at the nutrition label on everything
Doing that for more than a year really helped me notice how many calories are in things, and that theres can be surprising differences between different brands of the same thing.
Some beef jerky could be 2 or 3 times the calorie counts of others just because of extra ingredients(it’s almost always extra sugar) even when its the same serving size/package
Just start looking at the options you are considering purchasing and you can make better choices without even using a calculator, you learn then which brands of which things are better for you and that will help without even changing what you are eating.
Kind of a nice nice way to ease into changing your diet if you don’t actually start with changing the things you eat, just the versions of them
damn is it expensive
What part was expensive? We’re you getting organic veggies?
Meat and fats are expensive. Not having enough variety of foods that excite you will make it incredibly hard for people to stay on it, or so i was led to believe
In order to succeed you need enough variance to stay with it, from what i remember reading before doing it the single most common reason anyone fails a diet is because most diets that have restrictions fail to provide enough variety to keep people satisfied. Something about diminishing returns and how we are built to crave a variety of foods so that our ancient ancient ancestors didnt die from losing a single source of nutrients
I will admit, there are a lot more options of keto specific foods than when i was on it.
The bread products ive seen for keto are amazing compared to the dense heavy eggy elastic loafs i was able to find