it’s like you believe you can tariff them expecting they won’t do the same. Why do you believe the rest of the world is not going to retaliate and why do you believe America can prosper without the rest of the world?

What’s the point of having a military alliance with countries you puts tariffs on? That’s unfriendly to say the least.

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    So that when the oligarchs assume full unchecked control of the US, no one will lift a finger to help the rest of us.

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    They don’t care about cooperation, everything is a deal to them. If some other country has something, we don’t. The entire worldview of Republicans is just capitalism, if something can’t be framed in terms of profit it’s not worth pursuing.

    They’re fucking Ferengis

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            Hitler was left leaning. What side was trying to censor opponents and throw political opponents in jail? It was the left and it backfired.

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              Exactly one political party in US history ran a candidate from a prison cell, do you know who it was and what the party was called?

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              Hitler was not left leaning. He was supported by the old guard and the industrialists like Krupp until he out grew them and then turned on them. At the end of the day he was an autocrat, a totalitarian. Think was Gaddafi liberal? How about Suddam? They both had extensive social programs, but they were not left leaning. In the Weimar Republic it was the right wing courts that tried to censor and throw people in jail, and often let the right wing activists off the hook for similar offenses. Left and right wing groups can both censor and throw people in jail, ie USSR, but generally this is in service of totalitarianism, the ideology at that point is just a husk to keep people in line while people vye for control.

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                He’s not worth more than 3 words from me. Thank you for standing up for truth. I know it’s a loosing battle on the internet.

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                Well according to Hitler that his party was neither left nor right wing. He claimed it as a “syncretric movement”. It was essentially his own little sick movement.

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                  Consolidation of power to a tiny coalition of privileged cronies with conditional impunity as long as they backed the leader. That’s not “conservative” or “liberal” or “right” or “left.” It’s just…autocratic. Have you read The Dictator’s Handbook by Bueno de Mesquita and Smith? It’s a very illuminating reference and eschews the entire argument of “left vs right” in favor of a ruling-coalition size relative to the ruled population model and it appears to be quite accurate in predicting and explaining the behavior of politicians and rulers, Hitler included.

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                Who does that remind you of sir? Kind of reminds me of the today’s left with throwing political opponents in jail and letting the supporters of the left off the hook.

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          Hitler put all the leftists in camps and also purged the left wing of his own party, he came to power by being appointed by center-right big business interests specifically as a way to crush the left and destroy labor unions, and those interests did quite well under his rule, the term “privatization” was literally first coined to describe the Nazi economy.

          So those are the points showing the Nazis were right wing. The points showing the Nazis were left wing are… they censored speech (which the right also does, all the time) and they have socialist in their name (curious on whether you consider the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea a democracy).

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    To cripple the US so it is no longer a threat to Russia, and they can move in to “reclaim” all those Baltic nations and maybe even cop the EU.

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      Not just Russia. Any kind of meaningful restraint on multinational corps & billionaires requires international cooperation, or the entity just changes the region where it stores/performs/recognizes whatever thing.

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        I think we’re gonna learn the hard way its actually not okay to let corporations become more powerful than most nations.

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    Lots of the Musk Administration stuff has zero constituency. It’s just stuff him, Trump, and a few Heritage Foundation guys thought up. This is one of them. Nobody was asking for tariffs on the whole world or thought it’d be a good idea.

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      Nobody was asking for tariffs on the whole world or thought it’d be a good idea.

      But he floated his tariff garbage before the election and it was all over the media.

      Conservatives absolutely voted for tariffs. Which every economist said was a bad idea.

      They chose stupid and ran with it. As always.

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        Worst example of tail wagging the dog. Trump says stuff, and followers think it’s a good idea because Trump said it. Nobody actually wanted this.

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    Good luck finding many of them around here. They find out pretty quickly that they aren’t welcome.

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      Sadly true. We actively searched for alternatives when we realised other channels were getting too manipulative and full of hate. Those who stayed haven’t even realised it.

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        I have my doubts about that. Most of the mass posters are too “conservative” and lean extremely hard into stereotypes. They take racism and bigotry just a bit too far in many cases and it doesn’t quite align with actual conservative bigots and racists that I know.

        It wouldn’t be surprising if most of the “conservative” communities are part of the same troll farm that lives primarily on other instances.

        This is all speculation, of course. But, organized campaigns to spread discourse on social media are real and some of these trolls are really good at what they do.

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      OP’s also not going to get an answer that’s interesting or helpful out of them even if you go to where they live and ask and don’t get immediately flamed for asking.

      There’s no acceptable answer for it. I have plenty of conservative friends and I could make sense of voting for Trump the first time. Not for me, FUCK that, but not all Trump v1 supporters were racists and there were valid conservative reasons to vote for him. He was definitely an unknown, nobody could have told you with certainty how he would act once in office. I could have told you what I expected and it was about as horrible as I expected, but people often see things in politicians that they want to see, rather than seeing what’s really there.

      But any of the “OK to vote for Trump v1” falls apart completely for Trump v2. We saw what his first term was like and especially how it ended. His campaign in 2024 was even more unhinged and less grounded in reality than in 2016. Voting for him in 2024 is really inexcusable.

      The US will be unimaginably worse off by the time Trump leaves office this time, tariffs and tax cuts for the rich and inflation, it’s going to be bad for Americans on an individual level. On a global level, Trump will have shredded alliances and any goodwill we had built up over the past decades, while also validating and confirming the world’s worst concerns about us.

      And when Trump does finally leave office, the people you want to hear from will largely feel like it was a phenomenal presidency. It is a cult and logic and reason don’t have anything to do with it.

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        I’d love to believe this, but cynical me is thinking about those conservatives that look at Milei in Argentina and legitimately think it’s going great.

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    I don’t even think the majority of American conservatives are on board with most of what’s happening. Some are, but they’re especially stupid and usually ideologically oriented to Trump rather than to the traditional brand of US conservatism.

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      The traditional conservatives are suspiciously quiet right now, so I count them as fully complicit.

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        To be fair to them though, they did just get comprehensively voted out from everywhere. They don’t have a single majority to make any difference to anything. If I were them I’d be sitting back with a large bowl of popcorn going “yal’l voted for this, or at least didn’t vote against it, hope you enjoy getting the full force of this orange idiot right in the face”. But from the headlines I’ve read it would appear they’ve had a few things to say about Fart’s latest hot smelly air.

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          They’d still rather stay silent than break with Trump and ally with leftists. To be really fair, they deserve no fucking credit whatsoever.

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          That is factually untrue. They did not get voted out everywhere and it is somewhat silly to say so.

          House: R- 218, D- 215 Senate: R- 53, D- 47

          That is what I call a fair fight.

          Your position is indefensible.

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            I did a bit of maths at school and I know 218>215, and 53>47.

            That is what I call a minority in both places. If all D get together and say “no”, and all R get together and say “yes”, then where a simple majority is required it’ll be an R victory. Any D victory will need some Rs to either swing (and likely get fired), or abstain. Of course if a 2/3 majority is needed for something then R will need some D support to get it through.

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      they’re especially stupid

      You know, I always try to avoid thinking that people with different opinions to mine are “stupid”, but it’s getting more and more difficult to credit republicans with being reasonable.

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    Isolationism and tribalism.

    Make your people believe the rest of the world are against them and they’ll look to you for leadership. It’s not just the US - Europe and the UK have also had a rise in jingoism, fuelled by inflated reports of immigrants.

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    I was just watching a panel discussion about Trump and the tariffs and had a thought. He’s started adding exemptions. He just added one for the automotive industry following discussions with the big three auto makers. What if the tariffs were a grift all along? What if he put the tariffs on to generate tax dollars that he can use to give billions of dollars to the wealthy but what if he’s double dipping and selling exemptions? Like, what if when he talked to the big three auto makers he said, “I’ll make an exemption to the tariffs for the auto industry if you give me $100 million”?

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      If you seriously think that this isn’t market manipulation then I’ve some lovely bridges you may be interested in acquiring for a low price!

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        Ya I have no doubt him and his gremlins are manipulating stocks. They probably heavily invested in EU MIC like Rheinmetall before starting all the drama that caused it to spike and US MIC to dip. In a week they’ll cash out, buy the dip on Raytheon and suddenly trump publicly reverses a ton of bullshit. Rinse and repeat on all of his drama he starts. These tarrif games are screwing heavily with stock prices too. No doubt they’re making bank with the whiplash they’re causing.

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      He’s started adding exemptions. He just added one for the automotive industry following discussions with the big three auto makers. What if the tariffs were a grift all along? I’ll

      This is exactly what they were the last time around. They poked so many holes in that tarrif policy it was a seive

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    That’s easy. Constitutionally, you can’t be President longer than 2 terms. Wartime emergency powers can stop elections, cementing power permanently.

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      In the United States war and martial law does not stop the election cycle. There is zero precedent to support this, even Roosevelt had to campaign during WW2. In fact, the constitution is quite clear on the opposite - it perscribes elections must be held, offering no mechanisms for deferment.