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by this logic Allies committed genocide against Germans in ww2
I dont oppose donald trump because im a democrat or a liberal.
I oppose donald trump because im not a fucking psychopath.
Opposing donald trump is so obvious, so common sense, such a bare-minimum, fundamental-level, being a human 101 position that if it isn’t immediately self-evident to you after learning the basic facts, your problem is, much, much deeper than whatever ideology or bias or prejudice you might happen to have. There’s something wrong with you as a person.
I mean… I’ve been saying similar stuff for a while. I’m not on anyone’s side specifically. I live far enough away to not be affected by the situation and for my opinion to have no affect on the situation. Simply put: it’s not useful for me to have an opinion, so I don’t have one.
HOWEVER: I always have and always will oppose the unnecessary death and cruelty happening. Doesn’t matter where, or who, or when… If some group is killing another group, I don’t like that.
The only good reason to use violence on a global stage is to stop violence; aka self defense. Like what’s happening to the Ukraine, as a simple example. The Ukraine is well within their right to defend themselves and their land from a foreign invader. I am opposed to the Russian army marching across international borders and seizing land by killing whomever tries to stop them and/or whomever is there. Not cool. I dislike Russia’s actions there. I don’t dislike Russia’s or Russians, I don’t have a problem with any individual person. I have a problem with the decision that was made at the highest levels of government to invade.
Same thing here. I could not care less which side is comprised of what people’s of what culture or religion… I just don’t like that one group is invading/bombing/killing the other. I have no animosity towards those defending themselves, trying to not get killed…
I don’t know why everyone needs to make every opinion on the matter a question of race, religion, or whatever. I don’t care, just stop murdering eachother.
Isn’t being against war and genocide the same as anti-imperialism? I hate how saying “War is bad” has become so controversial and extremist.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
Israel is destroying its reputation and its future with its current actions. Yet no power in the world can stop them today, because they have waay too many weapons.
I think there will be consequences for innocent Jews who have nothing to do with the Israeli genocide. This sort of behavior gives ammo and a perception of legitimacy to antisemites. Israel is making things harder for Jews worldwide for years to come.
The death of religious spirituality at the hands of religious identity.
I think there will be consequences for Israel’s crimes, just not today.
I hope you’re right.
let’s discuss why people are supporting governments, politicians and companies backing the genocide
Don’t bother with people stuck in earlier stages of development. All they hear are excuses and immorality
You’ll find this kind of bs from every extremist faction, “oh you support Gaza, immigration, human rights and welfare, you must be a woke tankie communist” and “oh you’re not an anti-capitalist far-left anti-money extremist commie tankie, you must be a dirty fascist” basically a summary or american politics🤦♂️ 🤡
Edit: the downvotes are just proving my point lol I’m literally saying the exact same thing said in the screenshot. There’s not just two opposing extremes there’s nuance to things, don’t fight stupidity with stupidity, just cause magas fascist and extreme doesn’t mean I should go find the equally opposing extreme.
I don’t disagree with Trump just cause he’s Trump, I disagree with his actions and the bs he says, and based off of those actions I think he’s a knobhead and do not like him. When he pardoned Ross Ulbricht I didn’t say, well it was done by Trump so it was evil. Do I think he did it for his own personal motives or gain and votershare? Yes, but I do believe he deserved freedom, and Trump did it for the wrong reasons.
Americans don’t get it’s not the centre of the universe sometimes.
I’m including a link from a news report released yesterday at the bottom of this comment.
I’ll save you from actually clicking on it and watching this horrific video, and just let you know, it’s a 5 yo girl in Gaza trapped in a burning building after it was bombed by the Israeli army. The building is a former school the girl had been sheltering in along with her parents, younger sibling, and several others.
She screams in pain as she desperately tries to escape from the flames, and people outside scream for help as they watch her running around inside. Luckily a fireman was able to help her escape, but she was horribly burned and lost her entire family. The reporter later finds her in a hospital several weeks later, trying to recover and crying out for her mother.
If you still feel from that description that ignoring what is happening right now is acceptable or you’re pretending it can somehow be justified in any context, you should make yourself watch the video. Keep in mind this is one of countless stories like it.
It’s extremely disturbing because what’s happening is literally extreme and should make any human capable of empathy uncomfortable. It’s easier to ignore it and pretend it’s not happening, but that’s always the case with genocide.
If watching the video and knowing all of this still changes nothing for you, then you should also know you are literally showing callous and unemotional traits associated with psychopathy. That’s not BS, it’s a fact of reality.
BRO, did I not say I was staunchly against Zionism. I explicitly said that, I mentioned how in the screenshot the person making the post said that she isn’t against Israel because she’s a communist, anti-Jews, anarchist or far-left, but because she’s against genocide. Fuck Israel and Zionism but not Jews, I could not make that any more clear, I’m saying extremists always believe that when people disagree with anything at all they automatically believe they are extreme in the opposite direction.
I replied to your original comment before you added the additional information, and apologize if I misunderstood. Just going by your shorter original comment though, it seemed like you were arguing that OP pointing out the fact that ignoring/taking a neutral stance/downplaying or denying that what is happening right now is psychopathic, is somehow itself an extremist stance to take.
Just to be 100% clear, absolutely fuck antisemitism, but OP’s post doesn’t say anything remotely antisemitic.
The argument is simply that regardless of politics, identity, history, or anything else, as humans, knowing what is happening to other humans in Gaza right now in this moment, we can’t acknowledge reality and pretend that it’s anything other than genocide.
That shouldn’t be an extreme opinion, but somehow people will repeatedly argue that it is.
Ahhh are we just gonna ignore hamas’s butchery? I’m even more not a psychopath because I oppose that as well as Israel’s. y’all messed up for leaving that out.
This is like saying “well are you just gonna ignore that some Jewish bankers are doing nefarious crimes?” in 1943.
It is absolutely fucking negligible in comparison, not to mention directly funded by Israel so that they would have an excuse for their indiscriminate slaughter. Give Palestinians a country, their homes, and restitution for decades of apartheid and then we can talk about what kind of problem Hamas is.
Killing 1200 people is still bad
Let’s compare the numbers, so far a 1200 Israeli’s were murdered on the opening day, and maybe 100 more deaths from combat. Total deaths 1300-ish. In the Gaza strip alone over 62,000-ish people have been killed. Using Israel’s numbers from before the war they estimated maybe 50,000 active Hamas members. It’s orders of magnitude different. Even assuming Hamas died first that still means Israel murdered 12,000 innocent people. Hamas is bad, but the state of Israel is a genocidal monster.
Palestinians have a right to defend themselves.
Don’t Israelies have that right too?
You can’t starve children to death in self defence.
Agree. There’s a lot they are doing that is awful. Both sides are doing awful things is my point
One side is literally thousands of times more awful, let’s deal with that first
You’re just ignoring the Germans butchered in the warsaw uprising? I am definitely not a psychopath and there was definitely a good reason for a bunch of German “civilians” to be outside a ghetto in a foreign country.
Didn’t hamas march into Israel and were joined by non combatants then butcher and kidnap 1200? Seems different
The place they marched into is where their parents and grandparents lived before Israel ethnically cleansed it, driving them into the ghetto they’re currently in.
Still non combatants. Are you saying the indigenous people of your country should be allowed to kill anyone who lives there now?
There’s a difference in time scale here; there’s still living people who remember the nakba. But indigenous people are absolutely justified in resisting their own oppression. Also the immediate purpose of getting hostages was to get Israel to release hostages it took first.
Which side is guilty of genocide? Which side are the invaders and settlers, and which side are the indigenous resistance?
Hamas aren’t fighting Jews in Europe or North America, they are resisting those who have stolen their lands and besieged them.
October 7 wasn’t resisting. It was butchery. And pretending it wasn’t is psychopathy. Israel’s government is very much in the wrong too
Yeah didn’t OP know that it’s illegal to mention Israel’s crimes without also mentioning Hamas in the same sentence?
It’s a paragraph, not a sentence
truly the important thing
Cool.
You shouldn’t blame Zionism on a mental illness. Zionism is a choice to be awful.
I think all fascism is a mental illness.
Luckily, there is a treatment, as demonstrated by one of its most famous sufferers. It can even be self administered!
I’m all for suicide jokes, but equating fascism with mental illness is taking the joke too far.
It’s a mind virus
More like a plague, but it is. It is genuinely a sickness.
Edit: fascists are not well, and should not be allowed to make decisions.
Neurodivergent people should be allowed to make decisions. Fascists should be shot. That’s the difference.
Sure, because theyre a danger to the rest of us, it’s incurable, and they’re in terrible suffering. And also because it’s funny.
Are bad/lacking morals a mental illness? Seriously, at what point do we draw the line? It’s a curious topic.
No, they’re not. When psychologists become the arbiters of correct morality and pathologise disagreement, society is fucked.
You’re thinking of what happens when good people make the rules. But what if people like Freud were in charge of calling certain moral values illnesses? We already have enough problems with things like homosexuality being called a mental illness. What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?
It’s working it’s way in there. Give it a few more years and they’ll be able to institutionalize us for TDS.
What if Trump Derangement Syndrome were in the DSM?
IDK but I’ve definitely self-diagnosed with it.
Faith isn’t the reason, it’s the excuse
I didn’t say it was faith either. It’s not mental illness or faith.
To be fair the OP didn’t call it mental illness either. They said something was wrong with them as a person.
It is a conscious decision to commit genocide, using Judaism as a cover to protect them from criticism. Intentionally bombing children does mean something is wrong with you IMO
Notice how OP used the term butchery? Like a conflict between two powers of different scale. It’s a war not a genocide. I believe Hamas is the one that actively calls for genocide “kill all the Jews? Death to america?”. That’s pretty much the mission objective: it’s frequently stated. Comes from Iran like all the funny news you listen too.
Israel just doesn’t give a fuck about civilian casualties. War crimes absolutely. Couple of day keeps the terrorism away that’s their motto.
Both sides are bad, but you’re actively supporting the one that actively is pursuing genocide while verbally proclaiming it.
If Israel wanted to commit a genocide of the Palestinian people, it would’ve been done decades ago because of the imbalance of military power.
religion is a powerful motivator, often used to get gullibles to commit awful crimes
They said they oppose genocide because they’re not a psychop*th. That’s not appropriate language. We don’t use slurs, and we don’t blame Zionism on ASPD.
That’s not what she does. Being a bad person or even being a psychopath is not considered a mental illness.
In a certain sense you’re right; psychop*th is Greek for “suffering soul”. It’s supposed to just refer to the abstract idea of mental illness. But in practice, it’s a slur against ASPD. And even if that weren’t the case, using the Greek word for mentally ill person as an insult is disgusting behaviour.
I’m talking about psychology, not history. Sociopathy is not considered an illness.
“Yeah but Palestinians are subhuman and therefore don’t deserve human empathy” - Israel,
probablyactuallyAnimal stereotypes of Palestinians in Israeli discourse - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Palestinians_in_Israeli_discourse
Out of curiosity I checked out the inverse article and to my great surprise (/s) it didn’t start by mentioning israely dehumanization of palestinians. It sid however mention someone’s opinion that dehumanization was ignored when palestinians did it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_stereotypes_of_Jews_in_Palestinian_discourse
No but you antisemites just dont understand! Exterminating the hamas people is the culture of the jewish people¹. So really, by stopping the ‘genocide’, youre actually doing genocide against a proud 5000 year old culture! Youre literally hitler, who was actually just an innocent tool duped by hamas btw.
¹those weak subhuman diaspora ‘jews’ may try to mislead you about that. Clearly this is just internalized antisemitism.
Jesus, how much have the Zionists modified that Wiki article? A text supposedly about how Israelis dehumanize Palestinians repeatedly starts by reciting the issue with Palestinians and Muslims dehumanizing Jews? This is the first mention of the details of dehumanization:
“Among Palestinians, Israelis have been referred to as pigs, dogs, and bloodsucking vampires, while in Israeli discourse references to Palestinians as savage animals and or repugnant critters has also been attested, and at least once, protesting Gazans have been described as mere ammunition weaponized by their “cannibal” leaders.”
And this is the first paragraph under “Background”:
“Even though Jews, like a number of other religious minorities, Christians included, were accorded protected status in Islamic societies, the use of abusive stereotypes was not uncommon, some of them were grounded in Quranic and early scholarly traditions.”
Is this about Israeli dehumanization of Palestinians? WTF? Let’s always start by reciting how Muslims maybe kind of deserve it, or maybe bring the dehumanization on themselves.
Yes, but I’m also a commie lol.
Socialist here: fuck tankies :D
Some leftists and others fall back on the old stereotype of powerhungry Reds who pursue power for powers sake without regard for actual social goals. If true, one wonders why, in country after country, these Reds side with the poor and powerless often at great risk and sacrifice to themselves, rather than reaping the rewards that come with serving the well-placed.
For decades, many left-leaning writers and speakers in the United States have felt obliged to establish their credibility by indulging in anticommunist and anti-Soviet genuflection, seemingly unable to give a talk or write an article or book review on whatever political subject without injecting some anti-Red sideswipe. The intent was, and still is, to distance themselves from the Marxist-Leninist Left.
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Purging the Left of communists became a longstanding practice, having injurious effects on various progressive causes. For instance, in 1949 some twelve unions were ousted from the CIO because they had Reds in their leadership. The purge reduced CIO membership by some 1.7 million and seriously weakened its recruitment drives and political clout. In the late 1940s, to avoid being “smeared” as Reds, Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), a supposedly progressive group, became one of the most vocally anticommunist organizations.
The strategy did not work. ADA and others on the Left were still attacked for being communist or soft on communism by those on the Right. Then and now, many on the Left have failed to realize that those who fight for social change on behalf of the less-privileged ele¬ ments of society will be Red-baited by conservative elites whether they are communists or not. For ruling interests, it makes little dif¬ ference whether their wealth and power is challenged by “communist subversives” or “loyal American liberals.” All are lumped together as more or less equally abhorrent.
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Sorely lacking within the U.S. Left is any rational evaluation of the Soviet Union, a nation that endured a protracted civil war and a multinational foreign invasion in the very first years of its existence, and that two decades later threw back and destroyed the Nazi beast at enormous cost to itself. In the three decades after the Bolshevik revolution, the Soviets made industrial advances equal to what capitalism took a century to accomplish — while feeding and schooling their children rather than working them fourteen hours a day as capitalist industrialists did and still do in many parts of the world. And the Soviet Union, along with Bulgaria, the German Democratic Republic, and Cuba, provided vital assistance to national liberation movements in countries around the world, including Nelson Mandelas African National Congress in South Africa.
- Parenti “Blackshirts and Reds”
Only if theyre cute enough to put up with their bullshit.
Lol, the only socialist view you’ve ever espoused is hating other leftists. Now go back to defending the police, both-sidesing genocide, and shrieking about communists like a redscare boomer.
Tankies are people who defend authoritarianism, so I don’t understand what you’re saying here.
“I don’t understand” is sufficient.
Run along now traitor dumbfuck.
You’re the traitor and a larper.
Just come out as a fascist you coward POS with your 3 day old trolling account.You spotted another paid troll to had to the list ?!
Nah, tankies are people who defend uses of authority that liberals disagree with: you never see people being called tankies for defending the Nordic countries, even though they are undeniably authoritarian by any leftist definition.
Not nah. It has nothing to do with liberal nonsense. Criticizing worthless dumbfuck traitor tankies is something leftists do.
Thanks for that perfectly circular argument.
I can agree with that.
fuck you then
And a very fuck you, too, comrade. :)
You’re nobody’s comrade.
Nazi supporters should keep that word out of their filthy mouths.??? Support that accusation with any facts about me.
back to Hasan’s Twitch stream now please.
Back to supporting fascists for you then
Hasan is a tankie?
Everyone to the left of the Democratic Party is a tankie.
Larping as a ‘socialist’, sing the internationale on the 1st of May while totally bootlicking US imperialism and (proxy) wars, supporting the genocide state and neoliberal policies/austerity measures at the expense of working class is OK.
That is every EU socialist/labour party.Actually going against that is not acceptable, then you are indeed called a radical tankie.
Now we’re at the point where they want to equate communism with fascism, with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact as BS excuse.
Blaming the soviets for causing WW2, etc. and more plain revisionism Shamelessly pushed by those shitty Balt states that still can’t cope that the Soviets beat their nazi grandfathers.Well said. Tankie is a term used by people who think The New Deal was peak socialism
For a paid agent you say some good things sometime, I guess a broken clock is right at least once a day
Yes yes, everyone you disagree with is secretly a paid agent.
Tankie Sanders lol
Sanders is a democrat, and thus represents the most left wing position that won’t (usually) get called tankie
This will be a terrible mark on human history. When the world watched as internet personalities sailed into Gaza to provide aid. When we did nothing as women and children starved to death before our eyes.
Who will be ignored next?
Who will be ignored next?
- Sudan
- Myanmar
- Armenia
- Afghanistan
- Tibet
These aren’t next, these are already forgotten even though they’re catastrophes. Hell, even Ukraine is being forgotten even though it’s one the biggest wars in 21st century. When India and Pakistan looked like they were about to go to war, this Israel/Palestine war was also pushed to the back of people’s minds.
I think this is the just the nature of humans. People want to think they’re noble and righteous, but they won’t actually do anything, and the moment a new war starts they’ll move on to that because it’s new and we have short attention spands.
How fast we forgot Syria. Erdogan still bombing Kobane for example.
I think it’s media bias and sensationalism. It happens when journalism has a profit incentive and is owned by 4 or 5 oligarchs/ultra-wealthy.
Who will be ignored next?
I hate to say it, but there hasn’t been a time in modern history where there weren’t women and children starving while the rest of the world did nothing.
My entire school life there was so much pontification over what “you” would do during segregation or the Holocaust or slavery?
Turns out my entire family would grow a toothbrush moustaches and start painting vegan landscapes while I kept working because the cost of living rises more than wages and I long for the reprieve of death.
This person LOVES HITLER!
-The ADL and MOST American Politicians!
I don’t know how the average minimum wage worker can have the time to even care about world events when they are constantly under the threat of getting fired and stuggle to afford food.
That’s one way to control the crowds, make them too busy to think outside the rat race.
Caring has nothing to do with your paycheck, caring is about basic human empathy. I wouldn’t be surprised when lower income would care more than higher.
Its not about that, of course they care, that is - if they even know about such thing happening. Do you think wage-slaves have time to do research into complex global politics? The mainsteam media downplays the genocide so much that most people believe that the genocide is “hyperbole”. Do you know how much money Israel has spent on propaganda? When the media focuses solely on October 7th, but then deletes everything after that, how are people supposed to even learn about the genocide?
Let me tell you for example, I told my aunt that the trump admin is deliberately trying to deport innocent people in the US, and she’s like “Oh really? I think you’re exaggerating” (for context: we are non-white immigrants) like she’s not an evil person, just ignorant as fuck, not even reading the news.
How can they have time to consume media that talk about Gaza?
