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Sarcastic bluesky post saying [time traveling back to 1933 to make sure to tell Germans to protest Hitler less vigorously so as not to alienate bougie centrists who want to go to brunch undisturbed, thus preventing the rise of fascism]

  • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
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    1 day ago

    Hitler came to power because the majority couldn’t settle on a non-Hitler candidate. Now you’re saying we should do the same thing.

    • WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca
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      6 hours ago

      I don’t know what they’re saying. I’m saying we all agreed on what to do with Nazis 80 years ago and that we should continue to do that. You have a problem?

    • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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      23 hours ago

      Uh… No? There was no two-party system in Weimar Germany what are you even talking about? Hitler came to power because conservatives and centrists prefered him over the left. Like, it was Hindenburg who appointed Hitler as chancellor.

      • Godric@lemmy.world
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        18 hours ago

        The KPD under Thälmann’s leadership regarded the Social Democratic Party (SPD) as an adversary and the party adopted the position that the social democrats were “social fascists”.

        Thälmann’s KPD thus fought the SPD as their main political enemy, acting according to the Comintern policy, which declared social democrats to be “social fascists”. This made it difficult for the two leftist parties to work together against the emergence of Adolf Hitler. The KPD under Thälmann declared that “fighting fascism means fighting the SPD just as much as it means fighting Hitler and the parties of Brüning.” Thälmann declared in December 1931 that “some Nazi trees must not be allowed to overshadow a forest” of social democrats.

        The left preferred Hitler over the liberals. At least they got to feel smug as they were shot, knowing they never voted for anything less that perfection.

        • Aqarius@lemmy.world
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          12 hours ago

          Yeah, it’s not like the SPD would ever send death squads against the left, right?

          …right?

          • Godric@lemmy.world
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            9 hours ago

            I really hope not, but maybe you may know more than I about the long boycott of liberals by the Communists who saw liberals as worse than Hitler.

            Fuck, the liberals must have been actively sending communists, LBTQ+ people, Travellers, Poles, and Jews to death camps, just like Adolf did. Surely the Communists wouldn’t miss the forest for the trees when they refused to work with the liberals, Right???

            Right…?

            Right…?

            Not voting for a fucking liberal compared to the fascist running worked out in their favor during the 1930s, right…?

            • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
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              7 hours ago

              Holy shit. So, you just read the first chapter of any history lesson and just assume that’s all there is to the story? This is like something someone would write as a comedy bit? Are you just fucking with us?

              • Godric@lemmy.world
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                7 hours ago

                Yeah. You got me, the KPD and the SDP never refused to work together. It’s all just a joke, and there are certainly no parallels to the modern day! (Please don’t read a book that says otherwise)

                Congrats on your cutting sense of satire, here I was thinking I was just a silly goose helplessly watching history repeat yet a-fucking-gain, the left ripping eachother apart while literal fascists take power.

                • Orygin@sh.itjust.works
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                  6 hours ago

                  God you’re insufferable. If you want to discuss and debate things don’t talk down on others like this.

                  • Handmaid@lemmy.zip
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                    5 hours ago

                    Also don’t forget to have some knowledge on the topic being discussed.

            • Aqarius@lemmy.world
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              9 hours ago

              …Wait, you genuinely don’t know why the SPD was so hated by the KPD? Like, you’re not being obtuse rethorically, you actually don’t know?

              • Godric@lemmy.world
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                7 hours ago

                What, the not-literal-Hitler groups didn’t get along??? Holy shit they actually tried to tear eachother to shreds for electoral gain instead of focusing on the dude ready to literally planning to shoot them both in the head??? Noooo!!! Surely politicians would never hammer wedges! This could never happen again!

                Wow wow wow wowser. I really hope the SDP was sending homosexuals, liberals, communists, jews, minorities, etc, to camps, or the Communists would be utter fucking morons for literally equating the Social Democrats with Nazism. As they literally did.

                Fuck me, people who don’t know history are condemned to repeat it, while people who do know history are condemned to watch everyone else repeat it. Get me off this ride.

                • Aqarius@lemmy.world
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                  6 hours ago

                  Ahahah, holy shit, you genuinely have no idea!?! Good God, this explains so much…

                • wpb@lemmy.world
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                  7 hours ago

                  I think you need to work on recognizing when you’re in over your head.

                  • Godric@lemmy.world
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                    6 hours ago

                    Yeah, let me work on not expressing anything that I expect to be ideologically incorrect in a given space. Does leftymemes not like my criticism of leftists who enabled Hitler? Oh no, how will I survive the negative feedback

                    Does leftymemes not like my criticism of leftists who enabled Hitler? Oh no, how will I survive the negative feedback

                    Downvote the fuck away, the only thing I fear is a fascist taking advantage of division and taking power, ready to put us both in a camp just for commenting here. Surely that could never happen, right?

            • squaresinger@lemmy.world
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              8 hours ago

              The ignorance of history is strong with this one.

              liberals

              Who do you call liberals? That term wasn’t present back then and there was no party where that term would apply.

              And the communists were all for killing “capitalist jews”. Here’s a quote from Ruth Fischer when she was leader of the KPD:

              „Tretet die Juden-Kapitalisten nieder, hängt sie an die Laterne, zertrampelt sie“

              “Kick the Jew-Capitalists down, hang them from the lanterns, trample them”

              None of the parties back then map one-to-one to modern parties, and applying our current understanding and sensibilities to the political system in Germany back then without any kind of understanding just directly leads to misinterpretation.

              Especially if you don’t understand the political system of the Weimar Republic and just view that through the lens of a two-party system.

    • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
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      23 hours ago

      I think that’s a massive mischaracterization of the elections in 33. Hitler mainly rose to power because the traditional nationalist party and centrist party thought they could control him and use his popularity to ward off a coalition from leftist and unionists. The centrists were among the first parties to vote in favor of the Enabling act, which granted legislative powers to Hitler’s government.

      It’s a bit pedantic to say that Hitler rose to power without the majority because he only received 43.9% of the vote… especially considering that over 17 million people voted for him and the next most popular candidate only received 7 million votes.

      That really only makes sense if you are reviewing the election through the lens of someone used to a two party system. If we are going to evaluate it as if it were a two party system and combine the right and left into two coalitions…the Nazi, Centre, DNVP, and BVP would make up nearly 26million voters while the SPD and kpd would only make up nearly 12 million people.

      Even though the Centre party was much more willing to work with the Nazi than the SPD, if we added their votes to the left coalition you’d still have 22m on the right and 16m on the left.

    • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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      23 hours ago
      Blackshirts and Reds - Michael Parenti - Ch 1

      In Germany, a similar pattern of complicity between fascists and capitalists emerged. German workers and farm laborers had won the right to unionize, the eight-hour day, and unemployment insurance. But to revive profit levels, heavy industry and big finance wanted wage cuts for their workers and massive state subsidies and tax cuts for themselves.

      During the 1920s, the Nazi Sturmabteilung or SA, the brown-shirted storm troopers, subsidized by business, were used mostly as an antilabor paramilitary force whose function was to terrorize workers and farm laborers. By 1930, most of the tycoons had concluded that the Weimar Republic no longer served their needs and was too accommodating to the working class. They greatly increased their subsidies to Hitler, propelling the Nazi party onto the national stage. Business tycoons supplied the Nazis with generous funds for fleets of motor cars and loudspeakers to saturate the cities and villages of Germany, along with funds for Nazi party organizations, youth groups, and paramilitary forces. In the July 1932 campaign, Hitler had sufficient funds to fly to fifty cities in the last two weeks alone.

      In that same campaign the Nazis received 37.3 percent of the vote, the highest they ever won in a democratic national election. They never had a majority of the people on their side. To the extent that they had any kind of reliable base, it generally was among the more affluent members of society. In addition, elements of the petty bourgeoisie and many lumpenproletariats served as strong-arm party thugs, organized into the SA storm troopers. But the great majority of the organized working class supported the Communists or Social Democrats to the very end.

      In the December 1932 election, three candidates ran for president: the conservative incumbent Field Marshal von Hindenburg, the Nazi candidate Adolph Hitler, and the Communist party candidate Ernst Thaelmann. In his campaign, Thaelmann argued that a vote for Hindenburg amounted to a vote for Hitler and that Hitler would lead Germany into war. The bourgeois press, including the Social Democrats, denounced this view as “Moscow inspired.” Hindenburg was re-elected while the Nazis dropped approximately two million votes in the Reichstag election as compared to their peak of over 13.7 million.

      True to form, the Social Democrat leaders refused the Communist party’s proposal to form an eleventh-hour coalition against Nazism. As in many other countries past and present, so in Germany, the Social Democrats would sooner ally themselves with the reactionary Right than make common cause with the Reds.3 Meanwhile a number of right-wing parties coalesced behind the Nazis and in January 1933, just weeks after the election, Hindenburg invited Hitler to become chancellor.

      Upon assuming state power, Hitler and his Nazis pursued a politico-economic agenda not unlike Mussolini’s. They crushed organized labor and eradicated all elections, opposition parties, and independent publications. Hundreds of thousands of opponents were imprisoned, tortured, or murdered. In Germany as in Italy, the communists endured the severest political repression of all groups.

      Here were two peoples, the Italians and Germans, with different histories, cultures, and languages, and supposedly different temperaments, who ended up with the same repressive solutions because of the compelling similarities of economic power and class conflict that prevailed in their respective countries. In such diverse countries as Lithuania, Croatia, Rumania, Hungary, and Spain, a similar fascist pattern emerged to do its utmost to save big capital from the impositions of democracy.4

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      24 hours ago

      Oooh, and the divided, atomized left that couldn’t agree with itself to save its life (and would occassionally actually physically shoot at each other).

      This is a great analogy, actually.

      • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
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        23 hours ago

        The Right always votes for the GOP candidate, and the GOP candidate is the guy who wins the primaries. Most folks don’t vote in the primaries, so the most extreme guy almost always wins.

        Meanwhile, there are people on the Left who hate AOC because she hasn’t pistol whipped Nancy Pelosi.

        • Godric@lemmy.world
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          9 hours ago

          It’s genuinely depressing, years of “Huh, this feels like Weimar Germany” thought turn into “Liberals won’t get my vote this election”.

          Fuck me, people who don’t know history are damned to repeat it, and people who do know history are damned to watch everyone else repeat it.

          • Aqarius@lemmy.world
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            Fuck me, people who don’t know history are damned to repeat it, and people who do know history are damned to watch everyone else repeat it.

            The irony in you saying this is fucking painful.