Is this not the reason the second amendment exists? Regards An Australian Edit: I’m not advocating for violence. More so “a well regulated militia” which could be established by protesters or Democratic Governors for genuine self defence.

  • twice_hatch@midwest.social
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    I believe open carry is illegal here in Illinois.

    The meta I’ve heard is also that, if you’re gonna brandish or draw a gun, you’d better be prepared to kill with it. I’m not prepared to die shooting cops so I don’t feel like carrying. In the confusion of a gun fight I don’t think I’d have much to add by shooting anyone

    Like if someone told me that the 2nd amendment just causes more shootings and doesn’t actually protect people on average I’d say yeah…

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      the meta youve heard js harmful.

      “Brandish or draw a gun…better be prepared to kill with it.” — Normative, but the law is dead serious.

      Illinois doesn’t have a standalone “brandishing” statute; threatening display can be charged as assault (often aggravated assault when a deadly weapon is involved). Separately, deadly force is only justified if you reasonably believe it’s necessary to prevent imminent death/serious bodily harm (or a forcible felony). Drawing in a way that threatens without lawful justification can be a crime.

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      The meta I’ve heard is also that, if you’re gonna brandish or draw a gun, you’d better be prepared to kill with it.

      That’s dumb as fuck.

      Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.

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        You say that, but my father, when I was I growing up, told me that the only thing you’re supposed to aim a gun at is something you want to destroy.

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          Aiming a gun isn’t the same as brandishing or drawing it.

          Maybe your father should’ve spent less time teaching you about guns and more time helping you with your English homework.

          Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.

          Thanks for reinforcing this.

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            Please demonstrate this by aiming your gun at a cop and arguing that you weren’t brandishing with however many brand new holes.

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            Aiming a gun isn’t the same as brandishing or drawing it.

            I think it’s a distinction without a difference when you’re in a situation where both parties have firearms (and one party has the backing of the state and a monopoly on violence).

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        Sounds like you’re the average person.

        The only reason to open carry to a protest is as a threat. But if all you do is carry then it’s an empty threat. Don’t make threats you’re not willing to follow through on. And this is a dumb threat to try to follow through on.

        Also a lot of the people who are against ICE are also against guns, which is pretty obvious. You don’t need to be embedded in us politics to know this.