I am someone born in the USA and white and male, so I am less at risk of harassment and brutality than others.
My take on things is that Trump is probably a Russian asset and Russian leadership probably wants a US civil war (but I don’t have proof).
Midterms are still many months away. I am pretty sure Democrats realize that Trump wants conflict and they are trying to just wait for Midterms.
I am scared and feel like civil war could still happen. I have no children, few ties to any area, and only work remotely. I live in a very liberal area. I am mostly a poor person and have less than $25,000 saved.
I also have been arrested and held in terrible conditions in a notorious jail, experienced physical and emotional abuse there, and fear being arrested again and experiencing more abuse. Some of the things I experienced meet definitions of torture although not egregious physical torture (iron maiden type stuff). I am also gay and effeminate and worry I could receive worse treatment if involuntarily held for mental health reasons or for poverty because of homophobia by religious people.
Should I be trying to flee the USA now? If so, would Canada be safe? Is there anywhere else I could go to? I could claim asylum in a Northern European country but am concerned about the Russian War of Aggression.
I do not know if I am over-reacting. Will I still have time to flee if I wait and the situation gets worse?
This post is technically against the “no politics”-rule, but it’s a reasonable question that can be asked in a vacuum.
Please keep the comments centered away from the political side of things, especially the orange one - Let’s assume OP is worried that Jill Stein is on track to winning 2028.
Stay classy.
I posted about how Jill Stein ran just to be a distraction and some Lemmy commenters defended her. I’d tag them right now if harassment wasn’t a bannable offense because fuck them.
No one wants you. Your going to have to fix your own country or let things get a lot worse before people start taking white dudes as refugees from America.
Maybe a bit of an over reaction.
More like Ok_zipit 🤌🏼
Leaving a country isn’t that easy. And other countries has problems also - and being foreign in a country isn’t for everyone.
I believe there is no reason to flee - yet.
People are angry but it’s not revolution angry. I don’t think with the media and smartphones and all the distractions will let people to do revolution.
If you still inclined to do so, check your tartget countries requirements for asylum or immigration. There are a lot of loops and hoops.
Learning a local language, getting a job, a place to live and eke out a life in a strange place without support is really hard.It isn’t that easy but there are many immigrants showing you it’s possible. And if they’re American and have little to no contact with their families then they’re already lacking in support. I think it’s time to escape the sinking ship.
If you decided then, it is time to make a to do list.
Check what skills you have, figure out how you are going to make a living.
Research your realistic options. Read local news see what’s the actual political climate there. It’s not going to be easy. Good luck and hope you find what you seek!
It’s really not that hard to leave a country. I’ve done 1+ years in four foreign countries now. I could have spent the rest of my life in any of them. My least favourite was the US
I’ve seen messages saying “time to take up arms” in response to the latest ICE execution.
I’ve moved abroad twice, it can be difficult but it’s worth it.
I don’t think you’re overreacting given that a white male was just shot, as a protester, in cold blood just minutes ago.
Yeah, they shot that white lady the other day as well and, even though America is heavily misogynistic and ICE members are most likely even more so, the signs are there. The American empire is collapsing, if things were bad before (and they were, I’ve seen some videos of your cities, they’re abandoned or basically Sodom and Gomorrah but with more fent) you don’t wanna stay for what’s coming next. I mean, y’all got Gestapo over there and billions were recently passed in funding. Billions. If you don’t move you either you join ICE and enjoy some privileges, kinda like veterans in the US did, before going to Hell as you should, or you suffer what’s coming.
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Please don’t come here. I don’t want yanks trying to import their problems here like they have been for the past two decades
Please don’t come here. I don’t want yanks trying to import their problems here
Hey, guess what. Americans have been saying this to me, but against ethnic Chinese instead. Shit they say like: “These Chinese exporting their ‘communism’”. You don’t seem so different from MAGA, just under a different flag.
This comment demonstrates exactly what I meant. Good job.
You should’ve left years ago IMO. As a white man, you might not get kidnapped and sent to some for-profit institution where you slave away for years, but if you remain you’ll be either endangered regardless (because you’re standing up for what’s right or simply because violence is inescapable in Burgerland) or end up as one more of the amoral, oppressive beasts, having sold out your soul.
With 20K you can pretty much start a life anywhere, even in the West. Idk the prices of things in Canada but, for instance, I used to pay less than 500 euro a month in rent when I lived in France (I just recently moved out). Things are relatively cheap. The language barrier might pose difficulties but, I mean, Mexicans in America do it all the time, I’m sure you’d be fine.
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Lots of people laughing in Germany in the 30s at people fleeing weren’t laughing in the 40s.
Sadly many people like them were still laughing after the war despite the utter destruction.
How are you going to fix anything if you just keep running from problems?
I’m pragmatic. If a Tornado is coming towards me, I don’t try to rush into the eye to fight it. I change things I can, flee the things I can’t.
G’Day mate. I’d leave. With the student visa thing people are talking about, if you can get a few years study elsewhere, by that time the USA will have slipped so far down the toilet that asylum might have become a more legitimate option.
Really good take. Leaving by non asylum legal means now, even temporary, can set you up for when asylum is easier. And if it never gets bad you can just go back with some new qualifications
As an American-born white male, I’m staying. If all the sane people flee the country, what does that leave behind? A bunch of right wing whack jobs with the biggest military in the world. You think our domestic problems are going to stay domestic? If we don’t stay and stand up to this, it’s going to spread worldwide anyway.
Not saying to not get your ducks in a row just in case, but I don’t think running is going to save you for very long. If there’s going to be a civil war, I’d rather our side actually have soldiers.
I sort of feel the same way but still wish I could leave. With a disabled kid that needs care and not much money I’m not sure how I could leave at this point.
I previously tried to commit suicide when I was younger and was involuntarily hospitalized. As a result I’m a prohibited person. I can’t legally buy a firearm. This makes it harder for me to protect myself if things get worse. I don’t know if voting in my liberal community is going to change anything.
If there’s an actual conflict we will need people to do logistics, espionage, communications, etc. something like 10% of military personnel ever see combat. And likely, a personal firearm would do more harm than good. Getting organized with your community and staying open to… Other developments… could be rewarding and empowering. Start volunteering at a soup kitchen or something. Local radio. Some skill set that would translate if things get rough. And if things get too rough, there will be guns everywhere and not a whole lot of people to say who should and shouldn’t have them…
I am someone born in the USA and white and male, so I am less at risk of harassment and brutality than others.
Depends on your wealth. When you’re poor, you’re going to suffer as much as anyone else.
My take on things is that Trump is probably a Russian asset and Russian leadership probably wants a US civil war (but I don’t have proof).
Objection: Speculation. No need to find plots and conspiracies, no matter whether they are right or wrong, shit is bad AF already. Focus on that.
I am scared and feel like civil war could still happen. I have no children, few ties to any area, and only work remotely. I live in a very liberal area. I am mostly a poor person and have less than $25,000 saved.
Dude, people who fled nazi Germany or any of the invaded countries evaded so much horror, suffering, fear, etc. Get the fuck out.
Should I be trying to flee the USA now? If so, would Canada be safe? Is there anywhere else I could go to? I could claim asylum in a Northern European country but am concerned about the Russian War of Aggression.
Canada is safe, until Trump wants it. Other options are Europe, lots of work for American expats, a lot of support for them. Like tax benefits etc. Other options are Asia, Africa, south America or Australia. In Australia everything tries to kill you, but New Zealand is nice. And English speaking too. Africa has some nice places, but salaries and benefits suck. Maybe south Africa, a friend of mine just moved there but he’s a digital nomad and has a job in Europe.
Most Asian countries have poor salaries too, but the people are super nice in countries like Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Indonesia.
I don’t know much from South America, but right now I think anything is better than the US.
Best of luck!
Depends on your wealth. When you’re poor, you’re going to suffer as much as anyone rode.
Well that’s some absolute horseshit. Poor whites are treated like kings compared to poor blacks.
As a German I had to learn about German history and the workings of fascism in great detail. With that in mind the outlook for the US is grim. I personally would strongly consider leaving given the unfolding situation. Ask yourself whether you are prepared to live your life in a fully authoritarian US society, where there is only a very limited rule of law, power is largely unconstrained at every level and violence just a part of daily life. Are you the type to flourish in a system comparable to today’s Russia? Because of you don’t flourish, you will suffer, there will be no middle ground.
Germany is currently my top choice. I’ve been struggling with beginning the process of learning the language but found the VHS course/apps today and had an Anki card deck I finally looked at this week. Job hunting is tough. Engineer with 1.5 years of experience is a touch too entry-level it seems. Studying for a Master’s is on the table too, but there’s a lot of moving parts regardless of what route I take. Wish me luck.
If you have the means, GTFO. I would if I were on that side of the Atlantic.
Is anywhere willing to accept Americans at all? I have a tech degree but visas need you to have a job that sponsors you from what I have read. I’m too dumb for Canada to take me.
Some countries allow people to enter on student visas. Maybe it’s time for a master’s degree!
Also several countries have digital nomad visas.
Oh shit Mexico has a digital nomad visa. I have a coworker in Mexico city. That might work out
Check out bitofarambler. He literally country hops and has been doing it for a decade. He teaches English wherever he goes.
Look up the German ChanceKarte. It’s a job seeker visa with a preference for STEM fields. You’d get a year to look for work while living in Germany.
It is not hard to get in your car and drive to Mexico. Or take literally any airplane or boat out of the country. If Trump stopped all legal migration out of the country, it would cause a massive economic crisis as every business that profits from international travel or which depends on it for its operations would be disrupted - at which point, all Trump’s rich supporters, as well as all the rich supporters of GOP senators and congresspeople would defect, and he would be ousted.
As long as legal migration is possible, again, you can just go to Mexico. You literally just flash your passport at a border agent and they let you in. There is some other paperwork you can do, which isn’t even hard, but practically speaking it is not really needed even if it is legally required… because Mexico.
Once in northern Mexico, you can find a nice casita on the outskirts of a safe little village and live on rice and beans while you figure out what you are doing with your life. Find a country that will give you a working visa. Flights in Mexico are very cheap, and you can easily make your way to the Mexico City airport, where you can catch a flight to pretty much any country in the world you might want to go.
