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    Well, it’s over 20 years old now, so probably. It’s also really easy to softmod recently. Last year I got one for $25 at a thrift shop and modded it, so it’s also a great time to get one.

    So far, I only played Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie on it though, and messed around a bit with the first release of Minecraft Xbox 360 Edition.

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      5 months ago

      Can you get XBL Arcade games running on it? Half the games I’d want to play were on the arcade rather than disc games.

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        Yep, that’s still true. However, you can install ABadAvatar onto a USB stick which will run the exploit automatically upon startup. It usually takes about a minute for the exploit to successfully start and occasionally crashes (only happened to me once).

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    I think it became retro when the 9th gen consoles started coming out.

    To me, current gen is current, previous 2 generations are not retro, and anything older is. Many 360 models still had analog video out (as did the PS3 and Wii), so arguably it’s the final generation built with CRTs in mind.

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          The picture is an xbox 360 s

          it’s an xbox 360 S which is different to a xbox one s, not to be confused with the xbox series s.

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              And under no circumstances confuse any other Microsoft products with each other, except under confusing circumstances.

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                Why the fuck they wouldnt brand with this strategy is beyond me. I came up with this like 16 years ago and stand by it.

                Xbox

                Xbox 360

                Xbox 720

                Xbox 900

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                  So the Xbox 720 is twice as good as the one before it, but the 900 only gives you a 25% increase? Who’d buy that garbage?

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                  I’ve heard the reason for the name of XBox 360’s successor was that some marketing geniuses heard that most people called it “the three-sixty” for short, and thought “Great! Let’s call this the XBox One, and it will be referred to as The One! Like Neo!!”

                  And then, everyone collectively agreed on “XBone” 🦴

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      5 months ago

      There’s more time between the release of the 360 and (picking a random game that released this week) Pathologic 3, than there is between then and the release of Super Mario Bros on the NES

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    I hate to break it to you but… It’s been over 20 years. It’s more retro now than the SNES was when the 360 came out.

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      Frankly, the reason this is shocking to people is that games, graphically and mechanically, made leaps and bounds from the SNES to the 360, and gave largely stagnanted from the 360 to now.

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              Saying technology hasn’t progressed in 10 years is a very different statement than technology hasn’t progressed in 20 years.

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                Phones, as we know them today, entered market much later than consoles or PCs.

                My point is that eventually we hit the ceiling of progress. PCs and consoles hit their peak 20 years ago while phones did 10 years ago. Things haven’t changed in a while for both of them and it doesn’t feel so far that there will be major progress any time soon.

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              My phone can literally be used as VR goggles and stream HD video pretty much anywhere in the country. But smart phones existed in 07 and PDAs existed in the 90s. Yeah, no difference between these things. lol.

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                  I feel like y’all are just being contrarian doomers. Listen, I get it. The ruling class of billionaires use technology for nefarious purposes to control us and extract every penny of money they possibly can by selling our attention spans in ever increasing ways. I’m not saying they don’t. I’m not saying we live in a utopia. I’m just saying that there have absolutely been a lot of technological improvements in the past 20 years.

                  Folks saying “actually PDAs had internet access in the '90s” are, fuck, not even missing the forest for the trees, they’re just covering their eyes and refusing to acknowledge that they’re surrounded by trees.

                  We’ve got driverless cars. Yes, they’re far from perfect, and I wouldn’t really say they’re adequate, but we do have honest to god driverless cars. Electric ones too! And they aren’t just a gimmick, they really do give gas cars a run for their money. 3d printers are a home commodity now much like traditional printers have been in the past. CRISPR lets us modify genes. The idea of watching a 4k video on the Internet in 2006 would’ve been crazy. AI has improved a lot, and I don’t even mean the modern generative AI like LLMs or Stable Diffusion, even prior to that machine learning was a huge thing.

                  Relevant XKCD.

                  https://xkcd.com/1425/

                  That was released in 2014. You know what I can do now with my phone? I can take a picture of a bird and search to see what kind of bird it is. Reverse image search has been around for a while, but it used to just find things that were mostly pixel for pixel matches. Now it’s much more capable.

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              You don’t think there’s any difference between today’s phones and the 2007 ones? Not in cell coverage either?

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                Not in terms of navigating a city, which have had universal coverage since the flip phone days.

                Also, just an FYI: GPS has had global coverage since the 1970s and doesn’t require a cell signal at all.

                Smart phone advancements have been incremental since they were released, very little had changed in terms of basic functionality. The biggest difference is that you can listen to music while your getting navigated now.

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                  Dude, take the rose tinted goggles off for a second. I had a GPS navigation system for my car early on, around ~2010, maybe a little earlier, that thing was shit. It could hardly figure out where I was in the city. It would very often snap to the wrong road and I’d have to reboot it. Today, it’s simple. I just pull out my magical everything device and use an app. Technology has progressed A TON in 20 years.

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      Yeah, but the SNES became retro the moment the PS1 came out. That leap in tech was ridiculous.

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      Perhaps I’m in a minority but when the PS3 and 360 first debuted I did not consider even the NES to be “retro”. I would have applied that term to the likes of an Atari 2600 or colecovision.

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        The NES and Atari are separated by mere 6 years. The NES and Xbox 360 are separated by nearly 22 years. That’s how much the perception of graphical advancement has decelerated. Sure we keep making leaps on graphical fidelity, but ever more in areas that are less and less noticeable every time.

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        I mean yeah. There isn’t that much of a drastic shift in game design, except for the bleeding of RPG mechanics into more genres, more roguelite mechanics in indie games (choose one of 3) and having equipment systems in multiplayer FPSes. The biggest hit of 2024 was basically solitaire.

        It’s hardly that much more different.

        Wheras, going from snes through ps1 to xbox 360, things went from 2d (and extremely crude 3d) to textured 3d with jank controls to high fidelity games with standardised controls. Not much changed after that. The huge “innovations” of VR, motion controls, are basically niche due to economic factors, so people aren’t exactly having commonplace motion control VR experiences that put them in the game and comparing that to ducking behind cover in gears of war. They’re comparing making cover in Fortnite with ducking behind cover in gears of war.

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        The line between 4th and 5th gen (SNES to N64) was enormous, 5th to 6th was pretty significant, 6th to 7th was noticeable, and it’s been 20 years of small improvements since then.

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          There is a noticeable difference in graphics from 7th to 9th. But 8th felt like a half step. And it doesn’t feel like there are noticeable improvements in any graphics, physics engines, lighting or anything else since 2020 when 9th gen started. This cant be said about any generations up to 8th.

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        Heres how that works:

        Gaming got popular.

        Normies like fancy graphics, production value, and are swayed by fake trailers and mass marketing campaigns.

        (Doing all that well, in a way that people can actually afford to pay for, is extremely difficult and very expensive)

        Corpos discovered they could turn everything into primarily a market for subscriptions and micro transactions, that houses a game, and most normies kept paying for all that untill the economy entered the Second Great Depression.

        … its basically Dutch Disease, but for video gaming.

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      Me then: “Haha ‘time marches on’ what a cool phrase”

      Me now: “Yo, time, can we maybe slow the pace or take the break?” Time: “No. Only march on.” Me: visibly aging

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      You’re a generation off: It’s more retro now than the NES (US release) was when the 360 came out. We crossed that threshold about a month ago.

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    I mean, if NES was retro in 2006, XBOX 360 can be retro in 2026.

    though I have no idea what counts as classics on 360

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    DREEEAAAAMCAAAAAAAASST!!

    DREEEEAAAAAAMCAST!!

    *is quickly surrounded and tackled by shadowy xbox figures*

    DREAMC-argh!

    . . . dreamcaaaaaaast!

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      To be fair, and for all their other woes, Microsoft’s work on back compat with Xbox One / Series is a pretty incredible feat of engineering.
      Too bad licensing means they’ve essentially run out of games to port.

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    Yes. Getting old is hard.

    Just go with it and let the newer generations enjoy what you did.

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    SNES was peak and most evergreen due to the games being peak pixel art before everything went 3D. Nearly every SNES game is still beautiful. I tried playing some N64 games, and they are so ugly that they are nigh unplayable. Xbox is just a platform to play modern PC games that isn’t quite as good as PC.

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    In my opinion, no. For me it’s not about time, 360 for the most part plays just like any other present day console. Only difference is that development and marketing budgets went out of control (a trend that was already underway during later seventh generation), and the relentless stream of CoD, Halo and GTA clones stopped (THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT).

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      When consoles got “accounts” and avatars, that was the death of them. Theyre just subscription dumb terminal spyware now.

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        I think what killed the traditional console are the hardware progression and the decline of physical games. In 90s consoles had very different specs that gave them specialty. When you bought one it deteremined what kind of game library you would have access to, not just a few exclusives. And playing them was super convenient, you popped in your cartridge or disk and you were good to go.

        Neither of those things exist today. While the console form factor still has value, there is no justification for the closed ecosystems around them in my opinion.

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      I can still remember I think some new grounds stick figure type animated comic, made back when it was Macromedia Flash, not Adobe Flash, and it was mocking the idea of 20 years in the future we would have Call of Duty 16.

      … I think if you actually count them numerically we are now beyond 20.

      … 24 mainline games, apparently.

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      GTA clones stopped (THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT).

      I mean, open world games are commonplace. It’s like saying “doomclones” stopped. Yeah, they became fpses.

      but on the other hand “realistic crime open world games” kinda gta knockoffs were more commonplace back then.

      Unfortunately, somehow, gta feels like a gta knockoff. I didn’t even finish V, and the satire just seemed less biting, and late to the punch. Like the jokes it was making had already been made elsewhere, so it felt stale and done before.

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        I guess it depends on when you played it. Remember that GTA5 came out in 2013. It was a little more current in its satire 10 years ago.

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    It is on a timeline, but not tech.

    If you compare 1985 to 2005, holy shit. So many classics because of mind blowing advances.

    2005 - 2025… Well, there’s still 2005 games that go hard with some mods. We really rely on gameplay and story to make a classic now.

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      Yeah, once we hit 20 years since the 360’s launch, we had 20 year old games that still look pretty decent by today’s standards. I don’t think you could say that at any point in time before then.

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    I started playing burnout revenge yesterday. Then I got utopia the creation of a natio working for dos, Amiga and SNES. Classics babeeee!

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    I still use my old wired 360 controller to play games on my laptop. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

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      Same! I love the form factor of it and it still hasn’t given out yet. Only thing that made me even think about wanting to replace it was the haptic/adaptive triggers on the PS5 controller. Don’t like the form factor but man those triggers are nice.

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        Its a nice controller but they are fragile af, look at them wrong and they start to act up.

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          That’s unfortunate. Too bad Sony has patented the haptics/adaptive triggers. It’s such a good feature, I would kill for an Xbox style form factor controller with triggers like that.