• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      NATO is essentially a gang of Imperialist countries combining strength to maintain their Imperialist status militarily.

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              That’s the same logic as saying Capitalism is voluntary because workers agree to work for their wages. Such analysis sees the subservience in a vacuum devoid of external pressures or developmental practices.

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                in this case the external pressure is a rogue state doing a cheeky land grab on its neighbor

                i’m not sure why that’s nato’s fault, although i’m very excited that you’re about to tell me

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                  NATO was formed to be anti-USSR, after the collapse of which the Russian Federation tried to join NATO, and was denied. The RF then complained about NATO expansion, which had not ceased.

                  Regardless of whether or not you believe Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is justified or villianous, it was provoked by NATO expansion, as admitted by NATO leaders themselves.

                  NATO didn’t start after 2022, many of its leaders were Nazi officers and it has always been a way to exert Western supremacy.

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                    NATO was formed to be anti-USSR, after the collapse of which the Russian Federation tried to join NATO, and was denied.

                    in the same way the us wouldn’t be allowed to join csto

                    The RF then complained about NATO expansion, which had not ceased.

                    i don’t see how it’s nato’s fault that people are so sick of russia’s shit that they’re signing up to the defensive alliance against them in their droves

                    it was provoked by NATO expansion

                    nato expansion that existed because of russian land grabs

                    nato isn’t the warsaw pact. they aren’t sending in tanks to force people to be a part of their alliance.

                    this is just you doing the thing you accused me of doing by refusing to consider externalities

                    NATO didn’t start after 2022

                    russia didn’t start misbehavin’ after 2022 either

                    many of its leaders were Nazi officers

                    east germany was part of the warsaw pact, and had plenty of ex-nazis in its ranks

                    the reason you can’t draw a line from that to today is because the ussr folded like a cheap suit 30 years ago

                    it has always been a way to exert Western supremacy

                    you’re just kind of saying things now

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            There is literally an entire “argument” under this comment between these two lmao wtf are you on about