Simple question really! Are any of you running a Custom ROM? Furthermore, are any of you running a De-Googled ROM?
Why do you run your custom ROM, and what are the drawbacks?
Yes, I bought a Pixel 6 specifically to run GrapheneOS. I can proudly say that every single app on my phone is open source, no GSM and no Google. I don’t really mind paying a company like Google for the phone, I just don’t want to hand them my data.
Yup same here. Two profiles, one is my daily driver and open source, they other is for the few apps I need with Google services. This is the perfect compromise between what I want, and what I need.
Sounds neat. But what all the services that require proprietary app? Like banking, Uber, reviews on Google Maps etc.?
you can use web apps for banking, uber
although uber and most banking apps work on grapheneos, check this community verified list https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/for reviews, you can use gmaps webview https://f-droid.org/packages/us.spotco.maps/
for navigation maps, you can use openstreetmap like magic earth and organic maps
if you think osm doesn’t have enough data of your area, then you can use herewego maps, its another proprietary map, but is a bit better than google on privacy
The only thing I personally use out of all these is online banking and I do that from my PC at home. For reviews on Google maps I could theoretically just use it in my browser.
When I was a teenager, I’d probably change my ROM 3 times a day. Spent more time in the recovery mode than using my phones.
As a working adult… I wouldn’t even know the names of any modern custom ROMs.
This is me. That rush when a new ROM booted for the first time, or the panic when you’re not sure if you’ve just softbricked your phone.
Bugs? You tell me!
As a working adult… I wouldn’t even know the names of any modern custom ROMS.
And there are psychos like me that changed their custom ROM in the work… Ahh, that thrill to mess it up and lose your device for several hours until getting home.
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As much as I like blokada (and in a similar vein DuckDuckGo’s app tracking protection), I run an always on VPN so these are a non-starter for me, unless I get up off my ass and set up a layered VPN setup on my home server. AdAway is too simple once you get past rooting.
I just stick with lineage os. Its clean and efficient
Yes, I’d rather fuck around with custom ROMs than endure the user-hostile crapware that most vendors bundle. I’d also rather try to make an app work despite safety net or whatever not passing out of the box than not have any defenses against the dumb bullshit software vendors put in their apps. I’d rather go back to a feature phone than live with a walled garden full of spyware and ads.
Been running CalyxOS for 3 years. Compile it myself from source with some extra tweaks and such.
It started because I was tired of all the unchecked spying Google does, and I wanted to get away from that. But now I can never go back to “regular” Android, because the vendor bloat in “stock” ROMs is incessant, and I am maintaining patches for quite a few features Google has either removed, or never supported in the first place (2-button navigation, AM/PM clock, automatic call recording).
Honestly, there hasn’t been any drawbacks. The phone works perfectly, calls are fine, it runs great, and I haven’t needed Google Play Services for basically anything. Most of my paid apps continue to work without patches, and I get them from Aurora Store. For the ones that don’t work, I just patch them myself to remove the license checks. I paid for them, so I should be able to use them regardless of what ROM I use.
Damn dude, self compiling with your own OTAs is rad as hell. Kudos to you for getting and keeping that running.
Thanks! But I can’t take all the credit. Calyx maintains the OTA updater and it’s very configurable. Just change the domain name, make sure your webserver has all the right files, and you’re off!
Same here (CalyxOS on Pixel Phone). Except for me not compiling it myself. Its super easy to install and runs super smooth. In my case for two years without a single issue.
Sadly not anymore because I need my banking apps to work reliably. Making them work isn’t the biggest problem, but I’ll never know when an update blindsides me and breaks something.
On a sidenote, I’d really like to know why banks think that an ancient phone that hasn’t seen a security update in years is somehow more secure than an up-to-date Lineage or GrapheneOS.
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Aside from the initial install is GrapheneOS a simple forget about it type of experience, and no fiddling around with safety net or whatever so someone with no technical experience can be given it and use it and stay updated?
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I wonder if one possible alternative is getting an old iPhone and Apple Watch and using the iPhone just for setting up and updating the Apple watch. Then use Apple Watch for Apple pay. You don’t seem to need any data to use it for paying https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8204935
I think if that works going full GrapheneOS for a degoogled smartphone device and a smart watch for paying might be something I could do.
I would love to run Graphene OS, but their stance on root (“REEEEeEEeeEeEeEeEEEE iTs nOt sEcUrE aNyMoRe wHy WoULd yOu dO tHaT” Jesus fucking christ I’m aware of the risks now stop being a little bitch about it) drives me up the fucking wall.
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Eh, banks don’t want to piss off their customers over something they have less control over.
However I do know that my bank does keep Android version updates in mind. The app won’t work on anything less than Android 10, which is about 4 years old. So no working on any kind of ancient phone.
I have a lineage phone I keep on dial and I was using graphene OS for a minute but
The thing is that I live by my phone. Passwords, banking, pretty much the entirety of my actual life daily. I think graphene OS is great! But I also don’t have time or a the ability to have an AI review the codebase to validate that what I’m putting on my phone is safe. The truth is that these are unpaid strangers making a great product who’s work Im not a subject matter expert in. Android is a large codebase. I’m friends with a guy who works on it full time and even he feels lost sometimes. So I reversed my phone back to stock Android for my daily driver.
If I’m doing better financially in a few months I’ll likely buy another pixel phone or try fair phone with graphene. I just can’t justify the purchase right now and my phone works fine.
Just a reminder if you like these projects, donate to them!. I dropped about $1000 on open source stuff over the last year to include joplin, EFF, vueJS, graphene, lineage, and quasarJS. Every one of them does great work.
Oneplus 7 Pro + Crdroid 9.5 + Magisk + LSPosed and my safetynet is green Google pay / bank app work and L1 DRM certificate work for netflix/prime…
Would you say the customer rom is faster than on the original rom? OnePlus are pretty good with their roms.
OnePlus are pretty good with their roms.
used to be pretty good with their roms.
Oneplus are good with Rom but not highly maintained and I always have custom rom and root on all of my phone. I hate ads and I use all the method that exist to not have any ads in any of my app.
not anymore…
i used to screw around with custom ROMs all the time. mostly AOKP and cyanogenmod… but then phones started getting picky about rooting… things like camera stopped working or not working to full capabilities…
also i was installIing “[NEWEST SHINY] KERNEL 4.1.1 (L33T SCHEDULER, FASTEST PERFORMANCE!!!111)” like every week, but that got really tiring.
I used to muck around with custom roms in the early 2010s, but at some point the Galaxy UI stopped bring horrible and I needed my phone to be available at all times, that’s when I stopped.
I use GrapheneOS on my Pixel 5, even though I didn’t want to use Custom ROMs anymore.
I run it mainly because of sandboxed Play Services (i. e. Google services running as a user application with much less capabilities, instead of a system application, like with the factory image) and the additional functionality, which includes the ability to revoke network and sensor permissions for any app.
One of the reasons I decided to flash it, instead of remaining on the factory image, was that it behaves like the factory image once it is installed. Meaning the bootloader is closed and I don’t have to ever worry about updates (manually flashing the latest firmware files or the latest gapps, etc.). It even has automatic system updates, meaning it installs system updates whenever I am not using the phone. So while I’m asleep my phone is updating itself and the next morning I start the day with the latest GrapheneOS release. Very convenient!
I still download apps primarily from the Play Store (auto updates also work for those apps!) and use F-Droid only for apps that aren’t available there (due to F-Droid signing most apps with their own key). But, since the Play Services and the Play Store run as a user app, I am at least able to take all permissions away from them, which should reduce the amount of data that can be collected by them.
There are drawbacks though, one of them is the lack of Pixel features. Those missing features include adaptive charging and sound output improvements, which results in degraded speaker quality on GrapheneOS, especially with newer Pixel phones (verified on a Pixel 7).
In the future I hope to ditch Android altogether on my main phone and switch to a Linux phone (and have a cheap Android phone, or a compatibility layer, for disrespectful companies, like banks or EV charging providers, that force me to install an Android or iOS app), but I haven’t seen the right Linux phone hardware for me yet. I plan to replace my Pixel 5 when Android 15 releases (as Android 14 is the last major update for it), so maybe I can switch to a Linux phone by then. :)
Yup, GrapheneOS on a Pixel 7a. Never looking back.
CyanogenMod user since the 6.x days, currently running LineageOS 20.
I like my phones to work and be usable. I stayed on the stock ROM for my OnePlus 8T for 2 years and went right back to LineageOS.
Manufacturers just can’t make ROMs that work correctly without bullshit.
Have you noticed a big change from the OnePlus original rom?
Apart from not relying on manufacturers…
What are the advantage of these OSs?
I mean, features etc
Yes, AlphaDroid (Android 13)
Honestly the names mean almost nothing, custom ROMs with new names come out all the time and get discontinued all the time. Just need to find the stable one for your specific device and with the features you want. I use custom ROMs mainly because I get much better battery life and performance compared to stock ROMs which are bloated and slow in my case.
The drawback is mainly you should be tech savvy and be willing to do trial and error/tinkering a lot. But once you find a good ROM you’ll probably stay a long time and if the dev is good you’ll get consistent updates.
There’s also the banking apps problem some people have. With most new ROMs these days, banking apps should work out of the box. Now if you root your phone that’s what apps try to detect but it’s pretty easy to get around after research (again tinkering). It’s a cat and mouse game. If they change something you’ll have to update your method of hiding root or Magisk. At the moment I’m using banking apps just fine without them detecting root.
I’m using Evolution X because MIUI just sucks and my phone won’t be updated to android 13 anyway. The drawbacks are banking apps of course and the fact that i could lose my internal storage data if i forget to flash disable forced encryption.
VoidUI (not de googled) because:
- the main reason is so I can keep using my phone beyond the official SW support period, I would be stuck on A10 if I stayed with stock
- The phone started to feel a little bit slow after 2 years
- Unlocked some of the performance that was left on the table with more to be unlocked!
- No bloatware
The drawbacks:
- The camera experience is orders of magnitude worse
- Goodbye iris scanner :'(
- Goodbye S-Pen features
- Goodbye Samsung notes
- Goodbye to the much better split screen and floating window implementation
Yes, running crDroid on my Redmi Note 10 Pro
Works for me without any issues and I even got the banking apps to work using magisk delta
Magisk Delta? Been away from the custom ROM scene for too long now, is Magisk Cloak no longer a thing?
It is an unofficial 3rd party Magisk fork.