Sleeping in a car that you own.
I think there should be restrictions on where to park for this, but in general people found sleeping in cars should be protected by the law against theft and harassment.
Instead of being robbed and harassed by the law? Agreed.
That’s what I’m going for, yes.
Restrictions on where you can park
Nah fuck that noise. This is how you let them corral you into slums.
Park where you want. Out front of parliament, the prime minister’s house, on the street out front a billionaires house, wherever. If they don’t like it, them they should fix it.
Well, I mean, someone’s evil ex shouldn’t park in front of their house, not in a handicap spot, not in the driving portion of a road, not in the breakdown lane of a major highway, not on anyone’s lawn.
But yeah, any place where parking is allowed, sleeping while parked should be allowed and protected.
All of those places already have laws preventing those. Don’t need a special one for no sleep in car in those instances
Camp anyplace you need to camp. Keep your car where it belongs.
A public parking lot or parking space seems to be a good place for a car.
It is. It is a good place to park. That’s not what is being discussed.
Having a place to live is an unmitigable human need. Having a car is not. A car left too long on public land should become a shelter for OTHERS.
A car being used as a place to live becomes a need for the owner of said car.
I think you might have missed something in your zeal, which is fine. We need more passion about such things. Just directed the right way.
But the point being made before your comment was that anyone should be allowed to sleep -at least in their own- car, which you seem to agree with. And any public parking places where a car can sleep should be fine for a human to also sleep within said car, which you also seem to agree with.
This isn’t about having a car or not, and its not really about sleeping in a car you find, it’s about how it’s used if it is owned by the person who wants to use it that’s being discussed. So if someone already owns a car and wants or needs to live out of it, we can agree that’s ok (everyone involved in this thread is agreeing here). And if there’s a place that is appropriate for cars to be whether anyone is in them or not, that place should be fine with people sleeping as well. (Pretty sure everyone is agreeing with that, too)
So, everyone agrees, yay! No need to condescend when everyone agrees with you :)
If you want to expand the topic to shelter wherever you find it, that’s a great conversation to have. It’s just not actually the one being had.
parks perpendicular to the flow of traffic across the California 101 freeway
I don’t think it’s illegal, but rather where you park can make it illegal.
In the US, it depends on the State or municipality. I’ve slept in my car plenty of times while traveling, although it was often in parking garages and out of sight, so maybe I just got lucky. It will really depend on how uptight the town or store manager is. I’ve heard that RVs are generally welcome at Walmarts, so I’d like to heard the logic on why RV are ok to sleep in but not cars.
Sleeping anywhere. It should be illegal to wake somebody up, unless there’s reason to believe they require medical intervention.
Agreed. Hope you got room in your bed cuz I’m joining you tonight.
If you make it through the door, and you manage to fall asleep, I won’t kick you out until you wake up.
Waking someone up being illegal is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard
It is illegal to wake up children who are napping in childcare. Sleeping is a fundamental need, and waking somebody is akin to grabbing their sandwich and throwing it on the ground.
Waking up an adult is really different from waking up a kid. It should only be illegal if it’s being done repeatedly and purposely to someone who’s just sleeping and not at the detriment of anyone else. (Unless they asked them too)
I mean sure there are specific instances where waking somebody makes sense. On transit if you know their stop or the end of the line. If they are in danger. If they are covered in vomit or if they wet themselves. But otherwise, you can’t leave it to law enforcement to make humane decisions so don’t give them the choice.
Just imagine like a really nice town and an old retired guy who fell asleep on a park bench with a good book. Not in danger, not bothering anyone, don’t wake him.
The same dignity applies to a junkie who is passed out on the lawn. This could be his only quality sleep in the past 20 hours. You don’t know if somebody asleep has narcolepsy. You don’t know how much they need it. But they do need it or they’d be awake.
Again it’s a need not a want. Deprivation of sleep is a torture technique. Police officers are using it legally without repercussion right now. I’m saying, it should be considered a form of assault and/or harassment under the law. It is an act of violence. And it’s not right.
Escorts
gender affirming care for trans children
To play some devils advocate here, this is still a very sensitive subject. Not because the kids don’t have a right to that care but because kids are kids, and things can change drastically for them as they grow. For every kid who genuinely needs that care, there is another who doesn’t but is searching to discover themselves. Some forms of affirming care are safer than others, but others can have drastic life long effects on growing people. Unfortunately there are also some parents that will force care (or lack thereof) on kids in one way or another.
I think that therapy and understanding should be promoted heavily for kids so they can identify and understand how they feel and why, but blanket statements are challenging because they can be very easily spun (ex. All the “the left wants to force drugs on kids” bullshit that gets spouted.)
Not saying that I’m right or that you’re wrong, but I think this is a discussion that still has to be opened/presented further for it to gain traction in the public eye.
Excuse me, Mx. “Devil’s Advocate,” but nothing you said is contradictory to/incompatible with providing gender affirming care to children. In fact, therapy and understanding/acceptance are a major part of that.
The biggest issue I have is that trans children’s needs and well-being are thrown under the bus to save the small minority of genuinely confused cis people. Given the current state of their rights, any argument for waiting until some more idealized treatment arrives is an argument against trans rights and our entire community’s well-being.
Give children the right to buy alcohol too.
More give doctors the right to treat their patients
Euthanasia/medically assisted suicide.
The cruelty to force people to stay alive while slowly dying and suffering with terminal diseases is horrible. It’s traumatic for everyone involved, and it’s pointless.
We give animals more dignity in death than we do humans.
Pets*
*animals. If people come across (irreparably) hurt wild animals, those tend to get killed as well
I think male chicks get treated worse than humans when they are identified at the factory farms
Yes but also there are some diseases where I’d take death by shredder over slowly wasting away
Bypassing DRM for personal use
How is that illegal?
Ask the record/movie/book/game companies that want you to buy the same content every time they come out with a new medium for you to consume it
Everything’s legal when you’re at sea!
Yarrr!
[email protected] (inaccessible on lemmy.world instance)
That explains a lot. Why is it inaccessible?
lemmy.world admins didn’t want to face the wrath of corporate lawyers, I assume. So they blocked it.
But that’s the beauty of the fediverse, they cant kill piracy in all of lemmy. Hop to anothe instance and everything is perfectly there!
Because of the implication?
Both, international law or country law doesn’t apply outside of the territorial waters of a country.
Freedom of speech in China.
There is freedom of speech.
Just not freedom after speech.
The right to end one’s own life.
I think you have the right to do this. No one’s gonna charge your if you’re dead…
They will make your life hell if you fail though.
Being illegal means you can’t have humane and stressless suicide devices available to market. Instead one has to rely on tools which are uncertain, or cause you too much stress at the end of your life. And at the same time you have to dodge the state, so you can’t just announce it and spend your last hours with your loved ones.
Ye like that
But if you fail, you get stuck in a bad place.
😖
Also I want to like just take some poison and die. Like an “official” way to do it. I don’t know if I can have the courage to jump off a bridge. And even then, its not 100%. The nearesr bridge near me is like 100 ft in height, not sure if thats enough. People survived Golden Gate and thats even higher.
Like I wanna one day just wait till my parents yell at me and tell me to “kys” then I just take a poison and die in front of them. I mean like some type of poison that let me just peacefully die, zero pain, 100% guarantee. Like imagine their reaction lol.
Have you considered therapy? Anyway, dying out of spite is not as cool as it might sound. Way too permanent for a one-time punishment.
I remember a story, of which I don’t know if it is true or not. But basically a man in Japan was sentenced to death for suicide, after a failed attempt.
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That would be China.
Dark. And I like.
Many places make it illegal to allow police to intercede. In most places, the police can intervene if they believe a crime is about to be committed.
There is a huge line between someone who is terminally ill, and wants to die on their own terms, and someone having a mental health crisis. The first should be legal, but still needs support and checking, the 2nd need immediate help.
And what happens when your mental health crisis has lasted for several years, decades even? It is possible to not be terminally ill or old and still rationally decide you want to die due to chronic illness or other issues, even if your issue is purely mental illness. You should be able to die with dignity, peacefully - not after forking over a pretty sum over sketchy websites hoping to get the right peaceful pill that every government has banned or a poison + medication combo so that you’ll die puking your guts out but hopefully you won’t puke the poison out and successfully die.
There is no help for so many people wanting to die, they’ve exhausted their options. Some are so desperate they buy what they think is a peaceful pill but is instead rat poison. Mental hospitals do not help these type of people, if these places help at all.
I know, first hand, how strong the illusion is, that depression causes. It’s like having a mountain poised to avalanche down on you. You just want to escape, even if it’s via extreme means.
The key is that it is still an illusion. It’s a paper tiger, once you get a handle to fight it, it dissolves like mist. Most people who attempt suicide, due to mental health, are not dealing with a steady chronic condition. They are at a crisis point. If they receive appropriate help, clawing their way back is perfectly possible for most.
There are exceptions, but they are quite rare. I would bundle them with terminal illness, though proving that is a lot harder. It’s also a balancing act between being OK with dying, and being of sound mind to make that decision.
There is no help for so many people wanting to die, they’ve exhausted their options
They feel like there is no help, no options, no possibilities. They feel like they’ve exhausted their options.
To state absolutely there is no help to be had in any possible situation is just plain wrong. It does feel like that, yes, and that’s the horrible bit. Because the brain absolutely can’t not come up with anything and every option you have agency over you feel like you’ve exhausted. But also, it is a slight exaggeration to say with absolute certainty there is no help.
And I am speaking from experience.
But no, it’s not discounted that assisted suicide for mental illness should be completely off the table. However because of the nature of mental illness, there should definitely be checks and balances for it, otherwise half the population would kill themselves over their first heartbreak.
I’ve read their stories and have my own, there is no help. Therapy, medication, mental ward visits, physical therapy, etc. don’t help. Some issues are definitely caused by society, but it is not realistically possible to change society radically enough and soon enough to help. They feel there is no help because there is indeed no help, I also hold this view for myself.
I am not talking about someone going through a breakup reacting on impulse, I mean people who have been mentally ill for years. People with chronic conditions. People who are in pain.
I am not talking about someone going through a breakup reacting on impulse, I mean people who have been mentally ill for years. People with chronic conditions. People who are in pain.
And very politely assumed I’m not one of those people, not presumptuous at all.
I’ve been tossed out of an ER after I told the psychiatrist I was afraid I might hurt myself or others. Literally, verbatim (albeit in Finnish.) He said, “don’t try to make that my responsibility”. Like, fuck, that’s literally in his job description. He got a guard to escort me out. I rang a crisis holine. They hang up on me, saying I didn’t have a crisis. All this after I had waited in an empty room without food for 7 hours, waiting for that pick of a psychiatrist on call to laze back to work. And they didn’t even tell me “he won’t be in for hours”, when they knew perfectly well.
Then another time I was denied my prescription medication while in police custody. I was kept in a cell for three days without them telling me what’s going on, how long, why, and even fucking cutting off my water at one point. A literal crime against humanity. Ate my finger open and wrote >300 words in my own blood on the walls. I got a picture of the cell somewhere. They accused me of vandalising the cell. I tried getting the video material from my time in the cell to prove their gross negligence. They “lost it”.
My family doesn’t even contact me. Haven’t worked in several years. Had to move from school to school as a kid because of my mom, never had time to form long term relationships even though I make friends rather easily.
A few years ago, I would’ve definitely agreed with you. I’m a stubborn person, and it FELT like I had exhausted all my options and no-one was willing to help. That’s an exaggeration of course, as is your absolute. And true, the doctors didn’t help shit, family and friends nonexistent, the one friend who I had who could’ve helped lost a daughter, so can’t really blame him for not being able to help others.
I was genuinely considering suicide everyday, and had there been an easy way to do it, I probably would’ve. If not for nothing else, then to make every single fuck of those “not my problem” fucks feel at least a little guilty for not doing more. Like my mom. I would’ve loved to see her face when she heard I killed myself. Might sound uncaring, because you don’t understand how uncaring my mother is, and that lack of care is what I’ve been talking to her about and she just represses and outright ignores it. So having screamed about suicidal ideation to her probably would’ve made her feel at least a little bit guilty for not simply calling me to prevent me from killing myself.
But I don’t feel like that now. Because I’m a stubborn as fuck person and didn’t kill myself out of spite, because I wouldn’t get to see what happens. So after years of being convinced my illness has a physical basis, I found one. A rather small thing, non-celiac gluten sensitivity.
But it’s not well understood, and has weird connections to behaviour.
All I know is while I used to laugh at all the “gluten free is a fad” jokes, I now don’t find them funny after understanding just how much influence a simple fucking protein in my diet can have on the functioning of my nervous system. That being the system that houses this consciousness that’s writing to you and not wishing that badly to kill themselves amymore.
Like did I get help from the systems and people who were supposed to care and help? No. Did they actively act against my best interests by ignoring my pleas for help? Yes they did. Did that make me want to kill myself even more? Yes, it did.
But did it mean there was no help to be had, anywhere, as an absolute? Seeing how I now feel less like killing myself, seems it doesn’t follow that no help was available. I just had to find it myself, on accident, after literally several decades of complaining about that issue.
I also chose a therapist who’s not Finnish on purpose, so they understand how the entire culture is affecting me, and I feel validated by them. So while it hasn’t been a huge help, it’s definitely a help going there weekly.
But perhaps I still don’t belong to those “people in pain” who you speak about who FEEL like there is no help.
Presumptuous? I’m not sure how you got that from my message but I don’t blame you because apparently I am r* when it comes to communicating online, many people accuse me of things I did not mean or say and then I get downvoted because no one cares what I have to say.
I am sorry what you went through. You said you knew from experience what it was like so I assumed you also had some sort of mental illness and some sort of suicidal component but that you got better. That was my assumption. I just don’t believe everyone can get better.
I’m not sure how much to reveal about myself without potentially doxxing myself. But I am from the US. I have been suicidal since a child since before I could identify the suicidal feeling as being suicidal because of a combo of a very abusive home and an abusive school environment. My abusive upbringing gave me PTSD, anxiety, and depression. It did not get better once I became an adult and I developed chronic pain in middle school. I had abusive relationships one after the other (my therapist said since I’ve never seen a healthy relationship modeled before this is why it kept happening), but one ex in particular really abused me badly and added on to the PTSD. I had tried killing myself growing up a few times, eventually it led to me taking a more drastic measure as an adult that landed me in the mental ward. I didn’t do it for revenge or attention, I did it because my life is full of too much suffering. The mental ward was extremely horrible for me and added on to my PTSD, it felt like a prison and like I was in constant danger. I’ve lost friends who can’t handle my suicidal attempts, I no longer talk about it to anyone except my therapist now. My therapist encouraged me to go to the mental ward a few times, I tried it but my PTSD and anxiety would heighten during the wait from the ER to the mental ward that I usually just left (after all they would leave me in a bed in the hallway with no visitors for six hours to tell me 99% of the time there is no room in the mental ward for me and 1% of the time they could transfer me many hours away to a different hospital one-way so I’m on my own to get back). I went so often they told me I couldn’t keep going back every time I had a bad day. Thing is, I feel in crisis every day. So I gave up on the ER and the mental ward. I’ve even been kicked out of the ER before during a pretty bad day, the staff just don’t know how to deal with people like me who aren’t violent but just can’t follow directions during an episode because I completely shut down. I also tried crisis lines but found they were very short and rude with me. I have promised myself I will wait for my dogs to pass on of natural causes before catching the bus. I can’t trust anyone to take good care of them if I am gone. That is the only reason I am still alive. When I am suicidal I lookup the methods for exiting, visit the forums, and it calms me down enough to stick to my resolve for my dogs.
I am glad you were able to find relief. I don’t want people to die if they can be helped, I really don’t, but not everyone can be helped. It is not going to be the same for me. I have debilitating chronic pain that forces me to mostly stay in bed all day and my health insurance cannot pay for what I need, assuming it would even help my pain. I am on SSI but it is not enough money to cover for these extra medical expenses. There are hardly any doctors in my area who accept my insurance, I’ve flown to other nearby areas before but it is still the same with many doctors not wanting to accept my insurance. I find my therapist is the one person I can really talk to, but I’ve been warned I can’t say how suicidal I really am or I will be forced into the mental ward so I dance around the subject. Friends? No, not really. I do have an SO but they are not enough of a reason to stay, sometimes they are the reason I want to leave.
I know someone with lupus that has similar pain to me and I have watched them decay: being able to walk about, then needing a cane, and now needing a wheelchair and their legs have atrophied. They are in so much pain and also spend their days in bed and I can’t help but feel that this is where I am headed and I do not want to go there. I already can’t sit or stand for very long let alone walk about very far. I have a service dog to help me walk longer distances but he can’t go everywhere with me, for instance places like the mental ward. My doctor said I just need exercise and sent me to physical therapy, but when I didn’t improve enough my insurance cut me off. My pain is still the same. Over the years my doctors have been very unhelpful dealing with my pain. One doctor even said it was because of my weight, but my pain started when I was very skinny and I got overweight because it became too hard to move around. I have to stick to a diet of 1050 calories to lose weight since I am very short, my doctors don’t recommend this and instead want me to somehow exercise more but I’ve lost 30 lbs this way without having to exercise. My pain did not get better weighing less. It is also obviously very hard to stick to a diet this strict for very long. There is also something very wrong with my uterus. I have had horrible periods since they first started that put me in so much pain I would miss days at school every month and then work every month and now I have been told it may be endometriosis but the only way to confirm is through surgery which my doctor doesn’t approve of. Intercourse is so goddamn painful. I need constant birth control (skip placebo) to help ease my periods, but they do not help with the mood swings and intense suicidal ideation during them.
There is a society component to my issues. I don’t deny that. But when you spend your days trapped in a body that feels near constant pain where you have days you can’t use your arms or legs very much and a mind that still has PTSD flashbacks and have to act neurotic around certain things because of anxiety and skip eating meals and showers because of depression and did I mention I reached the age where schizophrenia is rearing its head and making me feel even more crazy like I hear voices and see hallucinations and I can’t even trust my memory anymore so it is far too easy to gaslight me and I have IBS which no diet I’ve tried has been able to ease (including gluten-free) … I mean my life is pain. To me. I want out. And I don’t even think my story is that bad compared to what I’ve read on the forums. A lot of people on the forums didn’t respond well to therapy or medication at all. At least I have a therapist I can talk to since no one else wants to talk to me.
I acknowledge you have pain and you were able to work through it, able to manage it. But I am not going to be able to work through mine. Maybe I’m too weak. I just hate being alive. You probably hate me judging by your tone and I don’t know if you will read this but there is no help for me.
Decriminalize all drugs. Drug addicts have enough problems with them without also getting the boot from the legal system.
Ya but not selling hard drugs.
I should have been more precise, you’re right: decriminalize the consumption of all drugs.
There is a valid reason why you don’t want Bobby Noname to cook meth and that is you don’t want him to blow up the whole block because his meth lab practices are unsafe.
Thank you!
Yes, this is 100% the right thing to do IMO.
So you’re saying they should be free?
Of course not, there is a reason some things are banned, like extremely dangerous things and I put hard drugs in that category.
So why do you answer with “Ya but …” but to “Decriminalize all drugs” … when actually you just mean “no”? The keyword was “all” here.
Usually when people say “decriminalise” it isn’t for crack. It’s for marijuana, psych drugs, recreationnaly drugs mostly.
That is why I said “but” to spell it out better. Decriminalising the selling of crack & meth is just 100% stupid.
Usually when people say “decriminalise” it isn’t for crack. It’s for marijuana mostly.
But when they say “decriminalise ALL drugs” … they are not mostly talking about marijuana. They are talking about ALL drugs.
Decriminalising the selling of crack & meth is just 100% stupid.
I’m not familiar with these US derivatives, but Cocaine and amphetamine/MDMA should totally be legal, nothing stupid about it. They are excellent drugs.
So for you, a drug addict should be treated the same as a druglord? There is a distinction here, addict and seller.
Do you seriously think cocaine should be sold like cigarettes? If you do then you have a lot to learn about drug abuse IMO.
Feel free to sell them. Just tax them so high that any profits are nullified, then the tax can be used to help those that need help getting off the drug. (Though this would likely put it right back where it is, and the black market would continue to supply)
Just tax them so high that any profits are nullified
So, make them illegal in any meaningful sense and drive them back underground. Dude, pick one.
Got tired and couldn’t read the whole post?
Switzerland:
- buying / smoking weed
- use recycling facilities on a sunday
- buying alcohol after 22:00 around train stations
Meanwhile here in north America, you can usually buy alcohol any time at gas stations…
Times are limited in Canada. For example, in Quebec you can’t buy alcohol between 11pm and 6am except in bars, and bars have to close at 3am.
Is there really a watchdog though? Ontario just put alcohol in gas stations and several of my friends have been buying after the legal hours.
This varies significantly by state, in the US
Same in Switzerland. Most of Europe I’d assume.
So you can buy any time of day at the gas station but not a train station where it highly unlikely you are the one driving the train?
Yeah, the train station thing must be some weird exception, I never heard of it. There also 24h beer delivery services.
That rule only applies to shops that are inside train stations owned by the offical rail company. Doesn’t apply to any other shops.
Don’t ask me why.
Jaywalking
Giving water to voters standing in line
Punching nazis in the fucking facePunching nazis in the fucking face
There’s no way this can backfire, right?
“Oh you support Ukraine, you are a nazi!” punch
(Who’s gonna determine who is a nazi? I mean, by this logic, we can legalize killing rapists. Then you can go around killing people whom you declare to be a rapist.)
If you feel personally attacked by the idea of punching nazis, you’re probably a nazi.
If you feel personally attacked by the idea of executing a criminal, you are probably a criminal.
Edit: In fact, everyone who oppose the death penalty are criminals. Therefore, we should execute everyone who opposes the death penalty.
See how you replaced punching with executing? That destroys the entire analogy.
Besides, I don’t feel personally attacked by the idea of executing criminals, I’m opposed to it based on principle, and because it doesn’t even achieve its goals.
I don’t mind someone wearing a nazi armband and doing a nazi salute getting punched. I’d probably do nullification if I was on that jury.
But making a law that says “You are legally allowed to punch nazis” is just disaster. That’s telling people its okay to assault someone that, in their view, is a nazi. Like some karen might perceive being kicked out of a store as the store manager “being a nazi”.
It should be up to the juries to nullify if they think the person getting punched is a nazi, not just do a blanket “okay” on “punching nazis”.
Edit: A better solution is just make it a crime to wear nazi articles of clothing and doing nazi gestures or say pro-nazi speeches.
Punching overt nazis (like assholes that use the salute or wear swastikas in the open), in order to avoid punching innocent people by accident
I’m going one step further… shoving nazis into active volcanoes.
Actual marriage equality.
Euthanasia. Access to free and humane end of life services should be a fundamental human right for all adults everywhere.
Dumpster diving. Doesn’t matter if it’s food or merchandise. It should be illegal to lock a dumpster or willfully destroy usable goods.
You’ve never had to repeatedly clean trash slurry off of a concrete slab because junkies are terrible people who have no manners. If people could be trusted to not redistribute the trash across the land I wouldn’t mind so much
Ah, so getting things out of the trash could be legal, but making a mess from a dumpster should have consequences
Enforcing that would take a lot more money than a padlock.
A better idea would be to charge businesses for the downstream costs of externalities like waste. Make them self-enforce by making it more expensive to dump recyclable or reusable materials.
If capitalism could be trusted not to put valuable items in the trash, it wouldn’t be a problem.
If it’s in the dumpster, it’s garbage.
What you really want is the usable food to not end up in the dumpster in the first place.
If you don’t want Amazon trashing all their returns, don’t buy from them in the first place.
Locking dumpsters is important in some areas so wild life dosen’t get into them. To quote the National Parks service,
“There is a significant overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest humans”.
Most businesses lock the dumpsters because trash service is expensive, and if you don’t lock them people will pull up with a pickup bed full of trash and fill them up.
Dumpster diving laws are more about trespassing and removing liability anyway.
Yay, none in my country!
Some banana republic? Or a country like Switzerland that’s probably missing from the list, but not because there aren’t any banned books?
You really think it’s common for free countries to ban books. I’m pretty sure my country of Finland (not "some banana republic) does not have any banned books.
Not a banana republic. And we simply don’t ban books. Like, some might be banned implicitly because of illegal content, for example a child porn book wouldn’t really fly here, but that’s because of the content, book itself wouldn’t be banned, you would just go to prison for sharing child pornography. I assume I could find other illegal content that would result in an implicit ban.
But there’s no government body that even can create a list of books that should be banned. Hopefully it stays that way.
