Maybe I’m just face-blind or being dense but the photos from the scene of the crime look like a different dude than the ginning hostel check in guy. The jackets and backpacks are different. Although people can have multiple jackets and backpacks. We don’t see much of the shooters face but the eyebrows look different. Although, people can pluck/shave eyebrows. I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?
I knew the police is full of stupid fucks, but come on! Wtf is wrong with the pigs?
I feel like this is all viral marketing for that jacket because it looks very warm and I want one
I wouldn’t be surprised if a significant portion of the NYPD cares just as little about finding this guy as the rest of us care about them finding him.
“Yes yes, we take it very seriously. Look, he was wearing a hoodie!”
I mean… The police has to know that elites hate them as much as they hate regular peasants
The elites don’t hate cops. They are the employers of the cops.
they also employ the pedons but here we are…
The bottom line is that the elites don’t “hate” their armed enforcers… they hire them as disposable.
Cops think they are heroes for being the armed thugs for the elites.
It’s like asking if a mob boss hates their hitmen or their other goons. No, they don’t, but they know they are disposable and loyal.
So they fuck up the right case for once?
I’m thinking they’re gonna arrest Timothy Chalamet any moment now
No, I think they match, but if I wound up on his jury, I might start to doubt it.
“Mr Westin, do these two men look similiar to you?”
“No…”
“But I haven’t even shown the second picture yet.”
“Ok, show me…but I’ll still say no.”
“OK, now do these two pictures-”
“Not guilty!”
“Excuse me?”
“Oh , sorry, too soon? I’ll wait.”
The right two and the left two don’t have the same coat colour
Plus the left two have a beige backpack, while right bottom has a dark grey backpack.
Honestly one looks like a very famous Podcaster and the other looks like a woman to me
That reminds me they didn’t put this much effort into finding the woman who put the bombs at the RNC on Jan 5th.
Looks like a generic male, although the ladies say he is good looking.
Looks like nobody saw nothing in NYC tho lol
Seems like they’ll never find em. Stand down.
Have we ruled out the CEO being a crisis actor?
I mean, how do we really know he didn’t just push himself out of a window? 🤔
Isn’t this part just 4 pictures of the CEO? Sure looks like him.
I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?
I sure as fuck wouldn’t. I know enough not to come anywhere near the police if they’re scrutinizing me for any reason, even if I know 100% I’m innocent and I can prove it. You absolutely cannot trust them not to just arrest you and railroad you into a bullshit conviction anyway, or plant some evidence, or decide “he had a knife” and just outright kill you. You know how they say “anything you say can be used against you?” That’s because they absolutely won’t use it to help you, even if you’re not guilty of anything.
I am positive city hall is breathing down the NYPD’s neck real hard right now. The entire department has got a lot of egg on its face for not being able to stop this guy, not being able to positively identify this guy, hell, not even know with any certainty where he went afterwards. They are under immense pressure to hang somebody – anybody – over this because they’re looking even more like chumps than usual.
So no, a wise man would not expose himself to the cops in any way whatsoever.
Storm troopers murder these kinds of people rather than expose the injustice system.
Especially just murdering you. Lot harder to get a corpse to testify that they didn’t do it. Makes it a LOT easier to say “well, they did it, but they’re dead now, case closed.”
Just imagine this is green text.
Nab the wrong guy
Shoot him in the back 53 times while screaming “stop resisting!”
Investigate ourselves, find no wrongdoing
“Case closed, boys!”
…
Police chief gets got by The Adjuster the next day…
Wow. Dood. Your reality sounds stressful.
Its like an episode of Law and Order but in real life!
This is sound advice. There are too many bad actors among cops to trust them to be impartial or fair.
Making a murderer is all you have to see to know this is the truth. I feel so bad for that family.
Yes! A real eye opener for me!
The cops need to present a suspect so they can say they did their job. Whether it’s the right suspect is another matter.
Yep, if something like this can happen, it might not be the best idea to go to the police:
Man pressured to confess he killed his dad. His dad was alive and well [3:40]
Fuck I had to stop watching after the bit with his dog. That’s heartbreaking
Guess who’s going to pay that 900,000. YOU.
Everything went as expected. The officers were promoted.
We did it,
redditNYPD!They only care that the forms are filed. They don’t care if they are filed with correct information.
Never talk to the police, there are many reasons why
Massad Ayoub is the man when it comes to firearms and law. I know of no one more expert.
And if the cops do ask and want to pursue questioning you … you don’t talk to the cops in this situation and just ask for a lawyer … they ask what your name is - lawyer … what is your date of birth - lawyer … where are you from? lawyer … lawyer, lawyer, lawyer
Never talk to the cops, especially when the cops are desperately looking for suspect.
Don’t ask. Tell them to get you your lawyer.
What if you don’t have a lawyer? I know the state can set one up for you, but I also know those lawyers are overworked. They take on something like 12,000 cases per year, and get on average 4 minutes to prepare your case.
Could I just call my mom and be like “FIND A LAWYER RIGHT NOW PLEASE!”?
It’s the state’s responsibility/problem to bring you a lawyer if you can’t afford one before the police question you. If the cops are so sure you committed a crime then they’ll charge you and get a public defender assigned so they can interrogate you with a lawyer present. If they don’t have enough evidence they’ll try to bully you into talking without a lawyer present and trick you into confessing. This is one of 403 reasons why it’s important to ask for a lawyer then shut the fuck up until your lawyer arrives.
You can use your phone call for whomever, just know it’s not private and you best hope whomever you call will actually help you.
The distinction I was making is that the response to “can you get me a lawyer?” could just be the cops walking out of the room and coming back several hours later and seeing if you’ve changed your mind. The same thing for “I’ll wait till my lawyer is here.”
Isn’t your “phone call” a Hollywood trope? It’s not like you get to gamble on the highest stakes call of your life (oops, line’s busy or you misdialed or whatever), but you only get one chance like it’s some legal gotcha the cops can pull on a suspect.
At least in Florida, according to this, you are entitled to complete at least one phone call.
I’ve been in enough jails to say with some certainty: it depends. Like unmagical posted, some places you will absolutely get a phone call at some point. In others, it’s pretty much an ‘executive privilege.’
The truth lies in the squishy, wet world of humanity, not the written word of the law. In one jail I know of, they’d give you three chances to make a free phone call (the other party has to accept, because they can’t let an abuser call the abusee without some warning of who it is), and if they weren’t busy, you would be able to keep trying for a couple of hours. Another place, you might get the phone call, but it could be 18+ hours after you were brought in and you had already seen the judge, been given a personal recognizance bond, and would be delaying your exit from said jail if you made the call. Jailers sometimes like to put the thumb screws to you in any way they can.
Most of the time, inmates will have access to a phone 24/7. Even in solitary, a phone was available. It looked like a pay phone strapped to a dolly that got wheeled right up to the door of the cell and the phone would stick through the little food slot you could look out of. Those phones require money on their account, and it works in a similar manner to the old collect calls. Those phone calls can be as expensive as a dollar a minute. A law was passed in the US around the end of Obama’s term or the beginning of Trump’s that was supposed to set a limit on how much those calls could cost, but I don’t remember what came of it.
I don’t know what you were doing to end up in enough jails to know that, but I suspect that if there’s additional knowledge here, it’s that we should probably not do whatever that was
Fair point. I suspect that the NYPD doesn’t really want to bring him in alive.
A dead suspect checks the boxes. Can’t dispute facts with evidence. Allows the media to say they got him. Gives them an easy victory.
The CEOs get a false sense of security and are lured out of hiding. Then the real killer guns down another one. Rinse and repeat.
C’mon man! You should have ended with “Another one bites the dust”.
Then we could all have it playing in our head!
You are correct. I’ve been watching a lot of true crime on YouTube lately and regardless whether someone is guilty or innocent, it seems it is ALWAYS in your best interest to get lawyered up and keep quiet if the cops are interrogating you.
I have mixed feelings about the guilty assholes, because it’s frustrating seeing someone give up their rights and be so open about their crimes but on the other hand, I’m glad they’re so dumb so they can be removed from society and punished.
But it is nothing but frustration seeing innocent people go through that out of genuine sincerity. “I have nothing to hide, so I’ll be open with the cops.” Fucking do not. No matter how low the statistic actually is, there is too much at stake to risk encountering someone who twists your words and uses it against you to frame you so they can close a case.
Lawyer up and shut up. Don’t talk to cops as much as you can help it. Especially don’t volunteer to have your name cleared.
I bet they stop releasing info because of the public reaction. At this poiny, they want us to forget and not have copycats. They’re scared.
Is it “shut the fuck up” Friday?
It is ALWAYS “shut the fuck up” Friday.
Was about to send that first link. Glad someone beat me to it.
I was curious when I was hearing the police chatter saying the suspect was wearing a “cream-coloured” jacket, when in the assassination footage it’s pretty undeniably black or a dark colour at least.
Never underestimate how actively worthless “eyewitness” testimony is.
I was not aware of this detail. But if it were just bystanders telling stuff to cops before they got a hold of the footage, they are going to go with it. Especially since it is already pretty worthless to begin with (so many jackets are easily reversed).
It’s not blue and black! It’s white and gold!!!
I heard he was wearing a
white and goldblue and black coat.He probably spun around
counterclockwise, but if you focus a lot it might have been the other directionBut did you see the Gorilla?
But we liked Harambe.
I heard that he’s an ethereal being from another dimension that has already faded away from our plane of existence so the police is wasting its time looking for him and should close the case.
The fabric looks different too. Like the shooter’s jacket seems to have a texture like gore-tex and the hostel guy’s jacket seems more like a cotton-poly weave. It’s hard to know for sure with the low quality images, but the colors look really different (and neither is anything close to cream)
The pockets are alone to give away that Hostel guy is wearing a “field jacket” cotton blend while Agent 47 is wearing a ECWCS cold/wet weather top. He could have two jackets and all that but they’re different jackets.
Two different colored backpacks too
These all look like different people with photos from different places at different times of the day. Probably their AI matched them and the coppers just had a quick glance, then put them on this panel.
Honestly, I doubt the person who shot him would actually be mad at being caught. He might’ve started a movement.
He might’ve started a movement.
I really dislike the hero worship going on. For all we know, that particular dude might be a paid hitman.
He’s not getting caught. The whole thing was obviously planned well. Never mind the professional technique and all that gun stuff, no, just consider the fact that he knew where and when to do it. How the hell did he track down the whereabouts of some relatively unknown CEO on a public street? That shows that the attack was carefully planned and of course any good plan includes an escape.
I really dislike the hero worship going on. For all we know, that particular dude might be a paid hitman.
Yeah, but death of the author and all that.
Maybe the guy was hired by the victim’s wife because she thought he was cheating on her or something, and the casings and whatnot are just a misdirection… but if desperate people with nothing left to lose and a lot to avenge get inspired by it and start shooting (or just harassing) CEOs, it doesn’t matter what the original reason was.
For now, American health insurance company CEOs seem to be afraid enough to remove their personal details from public sites, probably more because they see the reactions to the murder than because of the murder itself… so that’s something, at least.
Given the political situation in the USA I very much doubt anything positive will come from politicians and the corporate class learning the sheer extent to which these CEOs and their corporations and their practices are despised by the general population (if anything, they’ll attempt to tighten the yoke, which will just further radicalise people)… but revolutions have started for less.
It’s the manifesto he left and that he did it on the security camera.
This assassin did this with extreme precision and enough awareness that he knew the camera was there.
It wasn’t a hired hit. This was a statement.
It wasn’t a hired hit. This was a statement.
Hitmen can be hired to make statements.
Well, it was a good statement.
He put the fear in the elite. But clearly not enough.
Definitely. I don’t disagree with the statement, I just think it’s poor judgement to praise the assassin, who might be a random scumbag murdering people for money, just like the CEO.
That’s what the bullet casing engravings would suggest. As far as cameras go…it’s hard to not be on one anywhere.
Yet, they only shared one video.
Interesting isn’t it?
Not really? Why is that interesting?
Like you said, it’s hard to not be on security cameras, and they only shared the video of the attack that had a couple of frames of the upper half of his face. So they are looking for someone with the upper half of their face.
If it was a hired hit, it would be pretty clever to put those words on the casings to make it look like a political statement.
It would end up so lame if it was just the ceo’s wife that hired a hit man and the casings were only a red herring.
Don’t get too swept away with the romance - he could simply have not known the camera was there, or not cared, or been so out of his mind on some drug that the concept of ‘camera’ was beyond his grasp at the time. The engraved bullets could be anything from schizophrenic ramblings to a red herring because he really was a master hired hitman. We just don’t know.
I really want this to be a revenge execution for all the evil that CEO sack of shit put into the world, but I’ve gotten really skeptical that good things might actually start happening ever again. We don’t even know that this was a targeted act. Everyone has assumed, but there’s no actual evidence of anything and if the NYPD have it, which I doubt, they sure aren’t sharing it (they doubtlessly have plenty they’re not releasing, 99% of it garbage they have yet to sift through, but anything this concrete would have ended the investigation by now).
That said, I’m already trying to buy a body pillow of this guy so something something glass houses.To me it seems like a really dumb idea for the police or news to share that the bullets had “Deny, Defend, Depose” engraved on them. You can’t tell me that they wouldn’t have known that it would energize everyone like that.
I have to appreciate the skepticism, and of course it could have been a hired hit, or schizo ramblings. But there were other people who were in the area, and I bet they “didn’t see anything.”
I highly doubt the schizo thing though. Psychosis won’t allow someone to be this careful.
The problem with the hitman theory is that it painted a target on all of these executives and board members. Including whoever could have hired the hit. Hell, it could have been a Russian assassin brought in by Trump to stir things up, and it backfired. If that ended up being the case, Trump would then face a lot of opposition from the elite.
To me, it really comes down to the fact that the motive isn’t what is important. What’s important is that so many millions of people have a motive, and now witnessed vulnerability in the elite that hurt them and killed family or friends.
There were other people there, I mean he killed the guy while he was standing like 4’ away from a woman. The hotel staff phoned the cops once they realized what was going on, but the choice of ammo + silencer and that was early in the morning meant people were slow on the uptake. It was either really well planned or really lucky, or more likely both. The engravings on the rounds show at least enough forethought that it wasn’t a spur of the moment thing, but that’s literally all the information we have.
Look, overall you’re not wrong, and fuck knows we’re due for a new folk hero. My worry is that if people get too attached to the rapidly evolving mystique around this one person, it’ll all come to a crashing halt when/if they get arrested, especially if it turns out it really was his wife hiring a hitman to get out of a prenup or something equally banal.
Movie title “Last American Hero.”
For all we know, that particular dude might be a paid hitman.
It doesn’t matter what he is, who he is, or what he believes. He could be a nazi from the US taliban who thinks healthcare is the devils work and wants to kill every healthcare CEO for spreading hell on earth, or any other crazy shit. People would shrug and still say he did the right thing. They hate him as a person, but the action of killing a CEO itself could galvanize people to start attacking millionaires, billionaires, wallstreet people, bankers, CEOs, etc.
Seems pretty obvious the left two and the right two are different people.
Which raises the question:
HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MAN?
Kilroy was here
I don’t see anything
Oooooh…I saw him! I think…I’m pretty sure he was a PS1 game back in the 90s.
With that many pixels it’s a Dreamcast or PS2 character
If they are the same person they may have two jackets that are very similar but slightly different and two different backpacks. Someone on top of opsec or paranoid having lots of easily changeable looks would make sense. Although ideally you would want different colored jackets. It could also be that the camera quality isn’t good enough for the details in the jacket to show up and they only have two backpacks. It does really look like the two pictures on the right could be someone different with a similar jacket to the two pictures on the left though.
Worst opsec agent ever. “My change of clothes will be… essentially the same outfit, but with a black backpack”
Have you not watched Archer? You don’t know if he’ll wear his black tactileneck, or the slightly darker black tactileneck. It comes in both colors.
Archer was actually my first thought.
