What are the opinions you’ve heard from people you’ve met in real life? I know the internet seems to have consensus, but the internet is not always representative of the real world.
What are the opinions of Luigi in your:
Family? Relatives? Friends? Coworkers/Classmates? People in your area?
I don’t really want to discuss this IRL since I’m a bit paranoid of mass surveillance and getting my voice recorded saying anything anti-establishment could put a target on my back, especially with the incoming US administration, so I’d rather not. (I know, I’m paranoid)
(Edit: Also, I don’t want a future employer somehow getting a recording of me glorifying a CEO’s death)
The only people IRL I’ve heard from are my parents who basically read propaganda from Wechat that just portrays Luigi as some crazy person, but, then again, my parents are also Pro-CCP idiots and hates Democrats for the “migrant crisis”, so that seems to be a trend for their beliefs: just parotting what Wechat says.
If you look at it at the individual level, of course it’s a tragedy.
At the systematic level though, big change historically almost always includes death, and at the end people everywhere celebrate the successful revolution with very little thought to those sacrificed to get it.
Why is it a tragedy?
Or do you mean Luigi getting caught?
A person killing another person. People will mourn him. I guarantee someone is crying over this, a child, a parent, a lover. If you can’t see that side of it at all you need to take a step back and think about your humanity.
But as a system… It’s a different story. Sometimes things have to break before change happens, and afterward, people are likely to just think about it in terms of a beneficial change, not the people who didn’t survive the conflict.
an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, crime, or natural catastrophe
Doesn’t fit the bill
Also didn’t he cheat on his wife a bunch? We don’t know his kids don’t hate his guts.
My friend works for an insurance company. He is very ready to make jokes about it but he was involved in a meeting with the higher-ups and he said they seemed genuinely worried, as you’d expect I suppose, and had to bite his tongue.
Chad.
Remember people you ain’t got to drink the koolaid if you are working in such environments
Tell “Leadership” what you need but keep independent thinking. They don’t pay enough to control your opinions IMHO
Sympathy for the CEO is nonexistent, the general vibe is “he had it coming”.
Yeah, this has the same feel as a man who got shot after breaking down someone’s door and being warned from the inside that the tenant had a gun. Yeah, it’s shit that it happened, but also, yeah, they had it coming.
That’s a nice analogy. If the world was sane and just, those in power would quickly get their shit in order now that they’ve been reminded what the 2nd amendment was actually meant for. Doesn’t matter if it’s king, president, or CEO, people in power over Americans are meant to respect the threat of violence.
Hate the right and the NRA skewing it for stupid individual self defense reasons just as much as the Democrats trying to claim it has something to do with militias.
NYC. Everyone talks about it with a wink and a smile, from coworkers to friends to random people. The only people who are opposed to it are my company’s rich directors.
Everybody I have talk to is ok with the act.
My closest circle reflects the prevailing view here on Lemmy. I don’t go out much so the only other people I’ve interacted with are people who work in the same fiefdom that I do so no one mentions it.
I don’t know anyone IRL who both knows about the current events and also doesn’t agree that Luigi (or the real killer) hasn’t performed a service to the country. And thinking about it deeper, I don’t know anyone IRL who has not been negatively affected by the shitty healthcare system in this country.
My parents think it’s immoral to kill someone, even if they’re indirectly murdering thousands of people. Can’t agree on everything, I guess…
So your parents if given the chance would not have killed Hitler?
Ask your parents why they support Hitler next time.
There should be some sort of justice system for deciding these matters.
If we allow people to kill when they think it’s justified, we’re going to have pure chaos in our hands. If you want to watch the world burn, this is how you do it.
The world is burning. Now. With the justice systems you’re alluding to.
People literally voted for the people who dismantled it. People voted for the same type of person to be president as the asshole that got murdered.
Mob rule will only lead you in one direction; making the Redneckistan name more than just appropriate. But whatever. Fall into chaos and end up like the middle East. I don’t care anymore. Let the world burn. Better fast than the slow climate cooking that you morons in the US doomed the world into.
I’m not from the US
Well as long as these people exist, we cannot have a just system for deciding these matters as they wield too much influence and power.
The US literally voted those type of people in, including in the role of the president - again. They want this system, and they got it. What you are asking for is mob rule like in the middle east.
Again?
You mean always?
BoTh SiDeS… Jfc, you’re about as bad as Russia man.
Jfc yourself.
Who the fuck is stupid enough to believe this issue only started 8 years ago? The US was founded for the wealthy and the legal system has reflected that since day one.
So… guns for everyone?
At least until the war is over.
Many African countries are already implementing this system, and with great success, you could argue. Well… as far as the amount is bloodshed and bodycount are concerned. I mean, if someone thought of killing another person, it must have been for a valid reason, right? Obviously, the evil ones are the first to go in a situation like that.
I did bring killing Hitler up, and they said that’s justified because things are different in times of war. Didn’t really feel like arguing with them any more than that lol.
Australian here, the only people I have interacted with IRL who Ive talked about it with are members of my political party (we are socialists). It has been a mix of positivity and questioning how or if it will actually change anything or lead more people to joining the movement. It has certainly lead to a lot of online discourse but whether it will lead to any real movement building or change is yet to be seen. There is also the question of how useful individual acts of violence are when there isn’t a mass movement behind them. I have also seen people calling the shooter hot and such. There is no sympathy at all for the CEO and the people I have talked with all think he had it coming
I haven’t talked about it very much with people off line, but when I have no one has had anything sympathetic to say about the victim or unsympathetic to say about the alleged assassin. The women I’ve discussed the case with agree that this Luigi guy is handsome. Idk fellas, I hate to do him like this, but we might be better off if he stays locked up.
So you are assuming that Luigi is the Adjuster or are you trusting the current media blitz?
Lol I don’t know what you mean by “the Adjuster” and the main-est-stream news media I regularly listen to is Democracy Now!, so I didn’t know that a narrative is being blitzed. I’ve read some posts suggesting that it’s all a plot to cover up insider trading, but that idea seems a little too complicated and unlikely.
The few people I’ve talked to about the matter don’t care about the CEO being murdered as his decision were so ruthless and harmed many. A coworker mentioned it would’ve been better if that CEO was put on trial for his bullshit as so many were being fucked over by callous capitalist choices. That this man needed to be made an example of so those fat cats would be worried as fuck.
I’m also not sad that scumbag is dead; I’m sad that circumstances pushed the accused to the edge that an assassination of a CEO was the right answer. The system is so fucked, this should be an alarm bell ringing event. Knowing the good old USA, it will be swept under the rug until a real, large scale violent uprising happens.
A coworker mentioned it would’ve been better if that CEO was put on trial for his bullshit as so many were being fucked over by callous capitalist choices.
That’s the thing, the law is on the CEOs side. Almost everyone thinks his behavior should be illegal except the politicians won’t do shit about it. That’s what should really be going on now. Congress should be addressing health care in some fashion. Even if that only means limited action like cracking down on predatory insurance companies. Fat chance though.
So without a legal path of fixing the issue, that only leaves illegal means.
Yeah, I can kind of understand your coworker’s thoughts of this was 25 years ago, but how have they not heard of the Sackler family by now? These people will never see justice unless the people serve it up to them.
Yep, that’s why killings of this nature might rise…As our justice system favors these rich fuckers, and won’t raise a finger unless it’s truly horrible. I didn’t even know about the Sackler family myself, for good reason, as this family like to keep a low profile whenever possible!
I don’t really want to discuss this IRL since I’m a bit paranoid of mass surveillance and getting my voice recorded saying anything anti-establishment could put a target on my back, especially with the incoming US administration, so I’d rather not. (I know, I’m paranoid)
You are a victim of a psyop but you also ain’t wrong. They don’t want people talking freely about topics like this. Critical thinking will expose the PT tricks for what they are.
Plebs not talking is what the want. Consume this new slop peasants!
Daddy knows best.
Oh I definitely will talk, but just not in a workplace or in university, or in a coffeeshop with people walking by.
I don’t really want to discuss this IRL since I’m a bit paranoid of mass surveillance and getting my voice recorded saying anything anti-establishment could put a target on my back
Wait till you find out the CIA can read…
Eh, plausible deniability. A IRL voice recording is more incriminating than a pseudo-anonymous internet post.
… said the prosecutor reading the defendent’s online statements to the court.
“I didn’t post that, must’ve been malware” is more believable than “They deepfaked my voice”, especially when there were real witnesses.
Besides, they have to do some network traffic deanonymizing, to do. As long as you dont make explicit threats, they don’t have time to track every internet post.
All my IRL friends have been sharing the same memes we see here
Anyone in my circles who’s had to fully interact with our US healthcare has, at minimum, said they understand the motive.
