Cats, dogs, bears, owls, weasels. Most of them could seriously injure/kill an average human with minor difficulty and yet we find them adorable?
Does not compute.
They are the end results of millions of years of evolution prioritizing speed, strength, and stealth.
They are simply elegant and have to be strongly assertive to survive.
They have a spark of danger while we’re not living in competition with them, or for most of us, we’re not in any danger from them.
They share a number of qualities of things most humans would be attracted to aesthetically.
They’re the pro athletes of the animal world.
If you picked an animal to come back as if you were reincarnated, would you want to be a rabbit or a cow when you could be an eagle or a shark?
Most aren’t killing for fun (looking at you, house cats!), they’re just doing what is required of them to survive. It’s a brutal world for all wild animals, from the single celled to a whale. A predator is no worse than anything else trying to make it to the next tomorrow.
It’s funny you say this because I’ve heard people who believe in karma and reincarnation talk about coming back as a tiger like it’s bad thing.
Interesting. I tried looking it up quick but didn’t see anything that would be bad. Buddhism and Hinduism seem to regard tigers as symbols of strength and valor and as protectors. There are an almost infinite number of beliefs though, so I won’t doubt others believe the opposite just as well.
The only guess I could come up with is maybe if you were a tiger people would ask be afraid of you and possibly want to hurt you for being so potentially dangerous.
Brb getting killed by a weasel
You joke but a weasel could cause serious damage if it was determined enough. They’re extremely agile and hard to hold onto because they can bite you no matter where you grab them.
Like a snake but with claws.
I’ve seen weasels in the wild. They are tiny.
Weasels encompass a decent sized group of species. Some of which can get up to 60lbs.
Even the small ones can take down prey up to 10x their size.
If a weasel wanted to fuck you up it very well could. Even if you kill it you’ll have a lot of scars to show for it.
Depends a bit on what you want to consider a “weasel”
The weasel family (mustildae) is pretty diverse, we don’t necessarily call everything in that family a “weasel” but that distinction is somewhat arbitrary.
It includes all manner of critters from the Least Weasel (yes, that’s seriously what someone decided to call the smallest weasel) that can be as small as about 4½" in length and weigh about an ounce or so
Up to Giant Otters that can reach about 5’7" in length or Sea Otters that can weigh about 100lbs
And in between you have some things like badgers and wolverines
Otters, wolverines, and badgers are mustelids but not in the greater weasel family.
Sure one at a time, but what about one dozen starving crazed weasels?
Jus wook at dem! ☺️
This is the exact response I’d expect from you lmfao
kindred spirits
We’re predators ourselves, so if we couldn’t find predatory aspects (large, forward-facing eyes, for example) to be cute our babies would get left on hillsides.
It’s not something I’d generally consider to be one of my kinks, but I remember one time noticing a girl I know has somewhat more prominent than average canine teeth. Not ridiculously exaggerated vampire fangs or anything, definitely within the range of normal variation of the human species, but towards the upper end of that range, just a tiny bit longer and pointier than most.
And that did something for me. Like the primal reptilian part of my brain was saying “yesss, now there’s a female you can go and hunt mammoths with”
It surely didn’t hurt that she is otherwise very conventionally attractive, but in that moment it wasn’t the great tits, ass, pretty face, blue eyes, long blonde hair, etc. that caught my eye, it was those carnivore teeth.
She’s also been an on-again/off-again vegetarian as long as I’ve known her, and has expressed some interest in hunting, so I think her own lizard-brain also seems to have some strong thoughts on the matter.
I discovered this about myself fairly recently, but I’m never really attracted to a woman unless I’m also at least a little bit scared of her.
somewhat more prominent than average canine teeth
this is definitely a “thing”
on the opposite end of the scale, ive always found buckteeth super adorable. Like, cmon little beaver creature, let’s find you a piece of wood to chew on and cuddle
“wood”
Don’t recommend that line of thought unless you enjoy your weenie being chewed off.
maybe just chewed on
“Where’s the baby!?”
“Gone. Reduced to atoms.”
Still kinda wild to me that our preservation instincts can be overridden by something that doesn’t resemble a human in any way outside of a few features.
It’s because they evolved to hack our brains, and our brains evolved to be hacked by their smells / sounds / features. ‘Natural selection for reproductive fitness’ is a harsh mistress.
“Wheres the baby!?”
Shrugs… and walks away.
To be fair, our ancestors, evolutionary speaking, didnt resemble us that much if you go back far enough. A system that just considers a few key features a “child to be protected” is probably more adaptable than if every change in appearance had to be accompanied with a corresponding mutation to whatever gives us our mental picture of what our young should look like, for them to still get taken care of.
It wouldn’t take any evolutionary change to notice your offspring look nothing like you especially if they were completely different colors and had drastically different features.
At least for cats and dogs, part of the explanation is simply that we’ve kept and bred them as pets for a long time. Them being predators made them useful as a pet, as you could take dogs out for hunting and cats became useful when we started doing agriculture, where they could independently hunt the rodents on the fields and in our storage rooms.
This is an evolved trait. Cute babies are less likely to be eaten. Over time, babies become more cute because they were selected for.
Excellent question! I was pondering exactly this conundrum just the other day while watching a snow leopard on BBC Earth. That thing would rip your face off but wow, what a gorgeous beast! I almost ache to pet it.
Actually my pondering went even further. Not only are cats and owls and bears cute, they are much cuter than than our cousins the primates. And it get worse! I for one find that monkeys are cuter than apes, and that our closest cousins the chimpanzees are really pretty fugly indeed. Even the babies. Maybe especially the babies.
What a weird world.
It’s a bit like how people closely related to you are not attractive.
Except in Alabama
I think it’s more like an uncanny valley phenomenon. Or it could be that humans are largely neotenous and other primates haven’t developed that trait, so they remind us of old, or diseased members of our own species at a unconscious level.
Or it could be both. Strange hairy men that live in the woods? Avoidance response activated.
Yep, that’s the self-domestication thesis. Humans have selected themselves to look young and inoffensive, a bit like how they transformed wild ox into cows and wolves into, uh, poodles.
It definitely explains the ape paradox.
Ha. Except, jokes aside, I’m not sure it’s true. Obviously this is getting into dangerous territory but, as I understand it, people do tend to go for their own ethnic group disproportionately.
Then again, sexual attraction does seem to be qualitatively different. After all, that snow leopard would go straight to the friend zone if you know what I mean.
we are configured to find child-like things cute, and they theyre appearance throws a lot of that at us.
owls have giant, child-like eyeballs. bears have roly-poly bodies…
If not friend, why friend shaped?
Ask Little Red Riding Hood.
“Why such big teeth?” “To better eat you.”
I suspect that there’s a relationship between cute and being eaten by the parents of cute.
Humans are relatively defenseless but specialize in child rearing.
This gives us an advantage in taking pets. If you’re gonna form a bond with an animal it’s better if that animal is a predator because they can fight more effectively.
It makes more sense to give scritchy-witchies to a grizzly-wizzly than to a bunny-wun.
So I’ve got some cats. They’re small, but they can fuck up your day.
That being said, I rely on them solely as an early warning system. If I’m home alone and hear a strange sound that may be cause for alarm, I look for cats. If they’re sleeping peacefully there’s no external threat. If they can’t be found, someone is nearby. It may just be the mail delivery, but they know when a human is in the vicinity.
The things we find cute are not necessarily the things which we associate with predators. We find prey animals cute too.
The peacock jumping spider is cute af.
You just listed a bunch of mammals, not a representative sample of predators. You think lobsters and spiders are cuter than cuter than deer and koalas?
Good point.
Which raises another paradox: attractive does not seem to be a proxy for appetizing.
At least for most people. Personally I find lobsters creepy as hell and would never even touch one much less eat it.
Spiders of the sea. Crabs too. I wouldn’t want to touch one that wasn’t cooked.
Although I find the comparison discomforting to think about, the sea spiders both go well with butter and are generally regarded as delicious.
That introduces the question: if there were a land spider large enough to nullify the risk/reward/deliciousness equation, would I give it a try? My gut answer is no, but I think the realistic answer is, “I’ll wait and see what my fellow apes do with it first. If they have any good recipes, probably yes.”
Fascinating subject. I seem to be out of the ordinary here. To me it is completely unignorable that crustaceans are arthropods, i.e., close cousins of insects and spiders, which I would never be able to eat. Ergo, I find the idea of eating crabs and lobsters and shrimps just as gross as the idea of eating tarantulas and would never touch any of them.
Similarly, it is completely obvious to me that rats and mice are close cousins of hamsters and squirrels. Hence I find them all equally cute and cuddly.
My guess is that my mind is abnormally literal. In other words I’m probably a bit autistic. Most people are just more socially conditioned than me. Waiting to see what their fellow apes do first, as you put it.
What’s funny is that I also think I’m on the spectrum.
And to continue the conversation - my husband and I have been talking about visiting a South American country this summer where roasted guinea pig is on the menu. I honestly think I could give it a try even though I try to save any mice that my cats corner.
Food choices are both weird and personal. I’ll always respect that.
Yeah I could eat guinea pig. At a pinch.
I read once that all mammal flesh is roughly indistinguishable in texture and taste. Yes, including humans. Chimps think nothing of chowing on monkeys. The reality is that we’re all extremely close cousins.
It’s basically all just culture, as you say. Enjoy your guinea-pig stew.
Think of it as a small rabbit rather than a large mouse!
Not many eat rabbits these days, but it’s long been thought of as human food compared to most other rodents.
Jumping spiders are kinda cute.
Owls are not mammals. Also many people think certain spiders are cute and same with many lizards and amphibians.
Frogs are cute, jumping spiders are cute, geckos are cute. They’re all predators but they’re still cute
It depends on the predator. Very few people call snakes or spiders cute, them being the two animals with phobias topping every list of phobias (going so far as to inspire notions that fear of them are biologically imprinted in our psyche). Maybe it’s the venom.
I sort of like snakes, but am hesitant to handle them because 1) they’re wild creatures and therefore unpredictable and 2) I heard that they will poo on you if they’re alarmed. I don’t need that. It’s more practical than visceral.
Spiders? Hell no. It’s not even an option.
Most people I know fall on either one side or the other. It’s not a bad ice-breaker or conversation starter.
Those that don’t think spiders are cute hasn’t seen a jumping spider wearing a water droplet like a jaunty hat.
I feel like the whole danger noodle and whole puppy face love for pythons in the last tenish years has really changed a lot of opinions. Snek adorbs, as they say.
And spiders have also been getting better light with at least a lot of people finding jumping spiders adorable.
The venom is secondary. The primary reason is that our sleeping state provides the conditions of a good sanctuary for them, so they often get close in order to rest or nest and everyone gets spooked once we wake up.
To snakes, we’re warm and provide shelter.
To spiders, our open mouths, ears or even nose are hidey-holes that provide near perfect conditions for them to rest in or ambush prey.
Which is why waking up and finding them around is very traumatizing and often startles them into retaliating for self-defense.
I think it is more than a notion that humans have instinctual fears of many things, like snakes and spiders as you say but also blood and disfigurement by disease. Similarly many animals have conditioned fears of humans, we can be very dangerous and unnaturally violent, the killer ape.
I wouldn’t consider dogs predators like cats are. Cats can easily survive in the wild. Dogs cannot as easily. They mostly need people to survive. Some breeds probably could but a lot would be absolutely fucked. I’d take dogs off that list lol.
Wild dogs exist on all continents except Antarctica. Dogs are actually very good at surviving on their ownthey just require a “pack”
I’ll admit i did no research aside from a 2 second google search and mostly pulled that out of my ass :-P
