I don’t live in the US and guns aren’t a thing here, but from what I know from my antifascist friends, owning firearms is a very good idea. They’re all armed to the teeth.
Experts in the field may be more knowledgeable, but there seem to be multiple attack vectors to me:
- Fight and advocate to reduce social injustice; people who feel powerless or left out vote right [even against their own interest]
- Support quality education that critically explores fascism and history, that improves media literacy, and logical fallacies etc
- Support social programs that help people in the scene get out
- Support social programs that prevent people from drifting into that scene
- Be a voice in criticism and watchdogging media, orgs, and [public] people
Ok but I just want to clarify before we valiantly and romantically take the fight to fascists…
… Did you muster the courage to vote for Harris, return2ozma?
Sure did, donates too. And id do it again. Worth noting, I live in WI, my vote definitely mattered
Did you muster the courage to vote for Harris, return2ozma?
No. I said I wouldn’t vote for a genocider multiple times throughout the year too. I’m in California so my POTUS vote had zero effect. I voted for everything else and left POTUS blank. Trump won in a landslide. Even if single issue voters about Gaza 100% voted for Harris, she still would have lost.
Not true. People like you contributed to giving Trump the popular vote and a broader mandate.
By the way is this you in this picture?
In a way, you too are now complicit in exacerbating genocide.
Harris didn’t have to run on us having the most lethal military in the world, but she made that choice.
It’s on her and establishment democrats at large.
I don’t believe Democrats would have been any more humanitarian, they just take longer to do their killing. Just look at Gaza, that happened under a democrat. A gigantic demolition site sponsored by Biden.
haha!
Trump says, “Finish the job” to Bibi while transferring the embassy to Jerusalem and you think you’re going to get more results with Trump than Harris? Even if at best the same, as the Venn Diagram proves, it’s deeply illogical. You drank the online Russian vodka and now more Palestinian blood is on your hands.
(Forgetting the obvious fact that you’ve got Ukrainian blood on your hands now, too, since Ukrainians also wanted Harris over Trump)
The kids want to “fight fascists! >:(” but can’t bother educating themselves on the issues enough to realize they’ve fallen for the classic — textbook even — BoTh SiDeS fallacy that is peddled every election cycle.
So even though:
- The popular vote doesn’t matter
- Electoral College is all that matters
- Ozma lives in California that voted for Harris
- And that one vote doesn’t somehow flip the entire EC to Harris
It’s his fault Harris lost? Sure, jan.
I noticed you kind of hop-skipped past the whole down-ballot races thing, didn’t ya?
You know. The California races that in the end decided who won the House? Sure hope their district had absolutely zero relevance whatsoever lol.
Forgetting the fact that they seemed vocal enough in trying to stop others from voting for Harris, too. But I’ll eat my words if they can link a comment of theirs where they advised battleground voters to support Harris.
If I recall, they live in Long Beach, I don’t know the house results for that area.
In my personal area, it was between two Republicans, one personally supported by Trump, one personally supported by Trump’s allies. Both were for Trump and his fuckery with the system. I r
And on the Assembly, it was two Republicans again, “Republican shithead” and “Unknown crazy Republican shithead”.
I hate living in redneck rural shithole…
lol when did I ever say you were a Republican? This is indicative of a broader education issue quite possibly.
If down votes were votes, maybe Harris would have won in the swing states, and not California where your vote literally didn’t impact anything, except local elections.
Don’t let them gaslight you into thinking that you somehow personally swayed every swing state to Trump’s fascism, while they stick their head in the sand of how Harris lost and why.
Last week a dude was swearing to me that Kamala lost because of the “I did that” Biden stickers
Jesus fuck
They will blame anything but the facts of a bad campaign.
By making every single step they try to take excruciatingly painful by any means necessary.
Find charities, news outlets, podcasts, rights groups or other entities that match your message and support them.
Donate money, time, and whatever else you can to help.
I think everyone understands that being loud might draw the wrong attention, so do what you can to support the ones that you want as much as you are able.
if you find a group that supports a violent message or is too extreme, congratulations you are supporting the opposite entity by giving them an enemy and giving normal people more reasons to support the opposite entity.
The current powers that be are so outrageously cartoonishly criminal that simple and pure education ought to be enough.
“oh what you think of people with nazi tatoos who run neo nazi militias kill cops”
“hate them”
“trump just pardoned them, here look at these articles”
Ok, so serious answer for our friends who don’t live in places without an active culture of protest:
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Vote. No, really. If people actually fucking voted, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
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Give money to advocacy organizations
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Give your time and money to mutual aid organizations
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Read the news (not just on lemmy either)
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CALL your congresspeople. Emails and letters are better than nothing, but do not have the same impact.
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Try to get your friends to do #1-5
Just playing devils advocate here. If we are talking about real fascism then usually the vote is rigged by that point. Usually by the point where you already have facism take over voting is already too late.
How’s giving money going to help when it would take a million of me to counter a single billionaire?
We don’t need to match a billionaire. We just need to finance lawyers and advocates to work on our behalf.
As bad as things are now, think about how much quicker things would devolve without organizations like planned parenthood, the EFF, and the ACLU.
- Vote. No, really. If people actually fucking voted, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
You would think that, but the reality is probably that out if everyone who didn’t vote you would get an even spread so they really don’t make that big of a difference. Take other countries where voting is compulsory like Brazil and Argentina and they also elected extreme right clowns.
out if everyone who didn’t vote you would get an even spread
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. I suspect that the median non-voter is less wealthy than that of the voters.
Take other countries where voting is compulsory
We have compulsory voting in Australia. Presently we have a progressive (left of centre) government. It’s possible or likely that we will elect a right of centre government this year, but not extreme right clowns.
Millei is necessary for Argentina. Would be a bad president in America but that country desperately needed austerity
What the hell? We are at upwards 40% poverty rate wdym austerity
Argentina’s core problem is their previous Peronist government’s unsustainable spending and command over the economy. They have spent themselves into a crisis several times due to their high Debt:GDP ratio
Sure I hate Peronists as much as the next guy, however you can’t possibly be arguing in favour of austerity when rampant poverty is killing off your populace. Milei is a piece of shit that perpetuates impoverishment by also taking debt with IMF while cutting national industry via privatisation (none of it is bought by Argentine interests, all of them foreign).
That’s like saying gasoline is necessary for a house on fire because that house desperately needs liquids. There were other candidates in the election that had much better plans, while I agree that electing the same dipshits that set the house on fire to begin with was out of the question, we had options but the majority choose a clown who will make things worse. It’s almost the definition of cutting the nose to spite the face.
Vote. No, really. If people actually fucking voted, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Trump won with the popular vote.
A key element to defeat things like fascism, which build themselves on the popularity of fear, is that voting can’t be free-for-all. Voting should require, or be weighed with, some sort of licensing, testing of sane mind, awareness and understanding of at least current events, review of known association with dangerous anti-society parties, etc.
More people didn’t vote than they did for either candidate. Apathy won.
Means testing voting? What could possibly go wrong?! You do see how horrifically abusable that is, right?
The people who don’t vote don’t count on votes, period. Trump won with the popular vote.
There has not been an US presidential election where the president got more votes than the number of non-voters. If apathy won then it had won every single time.
Yes. And look where it’s gotten us. Oligarchic control
That’s hardly the reason. If you had a multi-party system the voted would be even more spread out between the candidates which makes it even less likely for a candidate to get more votes than the non-voting population. However a multi-party system would significantly lessen the possibility of getting oligarchic control because you wouldn’t have to choose between 2 shitty options, you’d have to have multiple shitty choices for the shittiest one to win.
A key element to defeat things like fascism, which build themselves on the popularity of fear, is that voting can’t be free-for-all. Voting should require, or be weighed with, some sort of licensing, testing of sane mind, awareness and understanding of at least current events, review of known association with dangerous anti-society parties, etc.
This is inherently anti-democratic. Who decides who’s qualified to vote? Is it you, with your infallible understanding of every issue?
I live in a country where voting is compulsory and yet we got Donald trump lite elected. Voting can be part of the solution but it can never be the only thing.
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Wrong comm to ask this on. The only historically backed answer that has been repeatedly proven to work is against lemmy.world’s TOS to discuss.
The left can’t even convince enough people to vote let alone join a violent revolution.
Yeah, those benefiting from a system of oppression tend not to want to tear it down, luckily they’ll be suffering like their brothers have been pretty soon.
just don’t vote. Its not my method but I heard from a lot of folks who feel that can fight fascism. you mileage may very.
Democrats are just as bad fascist as republicans, but people want to say one is the lesser evil? Where was you lesser evil while the corrupt supreme court was bought and paidfor? Where was your less evil for the last 4 years on abortion right, or imposing more legal limits on the president instead of less. The democrats wanted the power for themselves, more precisely, they wanted kamala to be their willing pawn while sealing their power behind a wall completely. You fight fascism by voting for someone you actually agree with, if you agree with kamala putting black men in prison for marijuana, then YOU are part of the problem.
wow that’s a lot of nonsense. Just an idea: maybe look up on a dictionary what fascism means before posting on a thread about fascism.
Where was you lesser evil while the corrupt supreme court was bought and paidfor?
not doing that
Where was your less evil for the last 4 years on abortion right
not doing that
imposing more legal limits on the president instead of less
not doing that
Democrats are just as bad fascist as republicans
soooooo not doing fascist things is “just as bad” as actively doing fascist things? is that what you’re saying?
Nah, being uninformed is. She had over 1,500 cases pertaining to marijuana during her term and only jailed 45.
YOU are part of the problem.
If you ask a question and you say, “but don’t say the answer,” you’re just asking for an echo chamber.
The echo usually says vote which is right but… here we are
IMO we’re here because of the 10 million Democrats who voted for Biden in 2000 and refused to show up in 2024. Bonespurs only won by a little over 2 million. Harris should have kicked his ass, but oh now, she “supports genocide”. Last week the long, difficult Gaza ceasefire negotiation process finally paid off. Funny how nobody’s talking much about it.
I’m pretty sure that the answer is against the Terms Of Service of this instance.
One can infer that from the amount of deleted comments. I can’t believe they didn’t delete the post altogether already. Or closed the comment section.
Luigi
Is this a reference to something?
you’re in the EU right? Don’t ever let them privatize your healthcare to the degree it is in the US.
Couple of things:
- Information : Keep creating and sharing reliable information. Not just opinions, information. We are still the majority, the US fascists is not world, we need to flood all the relevant platforms with our content.
- Education: The reason these monsters have any credibility is because some people are too mentally weak to defend themself from misinformation. We need to educate around in any way possible. Everything counts, keep trying.
- Humor is a powerful weapon. These people have giant ego and 0 humor. Let’s keep ridicule them and have fun at their expense. They need to understand we have some things they can never touch, even with all the money in the world, solidarity, humour and camaraderie.
also hope. Got to show people there is hope so they dont fall into apathy. They got to know others are actively doing something and refuse to be silenced. I have been trying to look for this for long time now and its not been good.
M3 grease guns proved effective last time we tried it.
Sherman tanks and M1 Garands were quite effective once.
