Right and wrong against what framework? I gave an example of one community that would think this is wrong while another doesn’t.
And I said established principles, not rules, just in case you mistook that I was talking about legality.
I don’t know who OP is, so if they’re, idk, a conservative Muslim in Pakistan, I would not have the appropriate context to say what is moral or not in their community. I can only say what would be considered immoral within my own and why.
If you want to jump all the way down the rabbit hole into Plato, Kant, and Nietzsche, I’ll defer as those arguments tend to deteriorate quickly on the internet and it’s not what OP is looking for.
My friend, I am really trying not to be condescending but you seem to be struggling to comprehend what I am saying. Your own definition supports me.
“What people think is good and bad” is exactly my point. What I think as an ex-christian in Eastern United States, born in the decade in which I was born, experiencing all I have experienced, all influences what I believe to be right or wrong in OPs scenario.
A person on the other side of the world from a different culture, different religion, a different demographic, different political experiences, may have an entirely different view on right or wrong here.
Different people think different things and philosophers have debated what this means about morality since before Plato in 400 BCE.
Right and wrong against what framework? I gave an example of one community that would think this is wrong while another doesn’t.
And I said established principles, not rules, just in case you mistook that I was talking about legality.
I don’t know who OP is, so if they’re, idk, a conservative Muslim in Pakistan, I would not have the appropriate context to say what is moral or not in their community. I can only say what would be considered immoral within my own and why.
If you want to jump all the way down the rabbit hole into Plato, Kant, and Nietzsche, I’ll defer as those arguments tend to deteriorate quickly on the internet and it’s not what OP is looking for.
You literally wrote this:
And that is wrong.
No need for any framework, moral is just; what is right, and what is wrong.
My friend, you don’t know what you don’t know.
Websearch “is morality a human construct” and have your awareness opened to literally thousands of years of philosophical discourse.
Experience life outside your bubble and learn that what is “right” in one community is taboo in another.
And maybe you can learn how not to be condescending.
Moral is literally what (people think is) good and bad.
My friend, I am really trying not to be condescending but you seem to be struggling to comprehend what I am saying. Your own definition supports me.
“What people think is good and bad” is exactly my point. What I think as an ex-christian in Eastern United States, born in the decade in which I was born, experiencing all I have experienced, all influences what I believe to be right or wrong in OPs scenario.
A person on the other side of the world from a different culture, different religion, a different demographic, different political experiences, may have an entirely different view on right or wrong here.
Different people think different things and philosophers have debated what this means about morality since before Plato in 400 BCE.
And you should learn to accept when you’re wrong.
Do you think what is right and what is wrong is universally agreed-upon? I don’t think it’s as clear-cut as you’re trying to make it sound.
Right and wrong according to who?
Would it be morally right to kill hitler?
Some people think morally, any murder is wrong.
Other people think morally, not murdering him would be wrong.
So - no - there are plenty of shades of grey in morality. Many times, what is moral, is taught from our communities as we grow up.