Carlos Sobera, a really great TV host in Spain, with the boom of sport betting websites and almost no regulations on the ads, he became the face of one of those websites with very aggressive tactics.
He also started to appear on ads for a payday loan company.
So he was promoting gambling and high interest small loans that are used by gambling adicts.
Jack Black.
I never liked him. Not for any particular reason really. It’s just the vibe I’m getting from him. He doesn’t seem authentic.
What’s wrong with Jack Black?
He basically defended trump when his music partner made a joke.
Mostly how he threw Kyle Gass under the bus over his Trump joke, cancelling the entire tour as well. Just so he can keep his trashy movie career going? Also he is in way too much stuff. Jack Black just doesn’t belong in Star Wars or Lord of the Rings … even when it’s just fan fiction.
Just read up on the trump comment. I understand Jack has this family friendly persona that he likes to keep. I don’t agree with cancelling the tour and putting creative plans on hold. But I can understand why he’d be instantly on damage control.
I share the same sentiment as Kyle. I really was saddened that the guy missed.
Hard to reconcile “family friendly” when you’ve got a song called “Fuck Her Gently” but ok
No…“gently”, not “gentile”.
Consider his work, other than Tenacious D. His roles in movies, random guest star appearances at concerts and such. He’s crafted this lovable teddy bear image. That’s what I’m referring to. Yes, he and Kyle have cultivated a fan base for Tenacious D that is anything but wholesome. But there is more to his image than just that. Most people that only know of him from his performances in movies see him as a family friendly silly guy. That has become his bread and butter.
Again, I don’t agree with his response to Kyle’s birthday wish, but I can understand why he would be on the defensive for it.
Yeah, and the band is called Tenacious D
I really don’t get the family persona bit here. Yes, it’s “a thing”, but this happened at a Tenacious D concert. His definitively not child friendly persona singing songs like “Fuck her gently”.
Very true! But bigger picture, this gets reported on and causes harm to his “family friendly” schtick. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it.
Came here to say that.
why he isn’t liked anymore?
Because he killed the metal
His Tenacious D bandmate, Kyle Gass, made a joke about assassinating Donald Trump. Black put out a statement criticizing and distancing himself from Gass while also placing the band on hiatus, cancelling a then-ongoing world tour. People feel he threw a longtime friend under the bus in order to protect his public image.
Gotta protect those Video Game movie deals.
Don’t wanna risk that Ganon cast in the Zelda Movie
More like goota protect the returns so that the FX team that spent years on the film have stronger resumes based on a successful film rather than one that tanked because Jack Black did something stupid.
Something stupid, like be in it?
I get why someone would lose respect for him over that, but he’s a celeb who’s cultivated a wholesome kid-oriented image of inclusivity rather than culture warrior. He’s in the “you catch more flies with honey than vinegar” camp which is probably where folks like Fred Roger’s would be were he here today.
So I guess I didn’t expect much more from him, but I’m also not a huge fan or anything, just enjoy his work, so I’m not in a position to really be disappointed in him.
he’s a celeb who’s cultivated a wholesome kid-oriented image
Damn dude just say you don’t know anything about Tenacious D. Lol.
Alternate theory: Jack understands that bad press impacts the movies he works on and that hundreds to thousands of people depend on those movies doing well. It sucks he did this but as an adult whose actions could have a negative impact on my co-workers incomes I get it
Maybe, but I don’t agree fully. He made a huge deal about it while singing his distasteful songs. the joke was par for the audience course.
jack black has always been a cringey loser, I’m glad the rest of the world is finally waking up to it.
I still reckon his only really good non-Tenacious D work was Nacho Libre. Everything else has been a load of saccharine nonsense. Even Nacho is kinda saccharine, but it at least has a whacky style to it. “Chancho, when you are a man, sometimes you wear stretchy pants in your room. Just for fun.”
Fucking THANK YOU. I never got the hype.
The only thing I ever liked him in was The Jackal that scene was so cathartic.
If he got violently dismembered more often, i might like him more. I usually think of him kicking Baxter off an overpass in Anchorman, as a default.
Same, loved him when i was little
Neil Gaiman
too bad he really 2 good series going on, the series cancelled them both, not because of his sexual harrasment/assaults, now they cant continue due to publicity anyways.
Same
Gaiman stole all his best stuff from Tanith Lee.
She takes all the Disney princesses and rewrites them as evil; Cinderella is a witch who drives the Prince insane and Snow White is a vampire.
She’s not the only one to do that. Many people precede her, including Rice and Biegel. Same within the retelling of myths and legends. Writers have been doing that for decades. There’s no need to make stuff up, he’s a horrible person without made up nonsense.
If you read her you’ll see what I am talking about.
One good example. In her book ‘Death’s Master’ she came up with hte idea that Death and Delusion were relatives. He expanded on that idea with The Sandman.
Came here for this one. Fuck “separate the art from the artist.” I will never read one of his books again.
If he wasn’t preachy/performative about his “feminism” it wouldn’t be as awful
Feminism is in quotes because IMO he doesn’t believe what he preaches
Yep. And to think I used to admire him. I’ve had some modest success as a published science fiction and fantasy writer, and I specifically cited him as inspiration for one of my published stories.
Wish I could take it back.
He believes it, he just doesn’t practice it.
Like most men in power, they use it as a way to get close to people they can assert their power or dominance over.
I think he believes he’s actually a feminist. it’s a subtle difference, but an important one. He genuinely believes he’s a good guy and the things he does helps more women than it hurts.
That’s why he’s a piece of shit and so dangerous. He believes his own lies.
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Wasn’t really a fan as such, but I also though as far as billionaires go he’s at least useful to humanity.
He should have kept to what he was good at - marketing big ideas. Unfortunately narcissists don’t work that way.as far as billionaires go he’s at least useful to humanity.
There’s a good argument that this is still true despite everything. Without China the green-tech revolution would be decades behind schedule, and it took Tesla to make China move.
and it took Tesla to make China move.
Tesla maybe helped boosting Chinas EV industry … but very little for green-tech in general. And EVs are not a particular green or revolutionary technology in the first place.
So no, I don’t think he did much for humanity here.
And EVs are not a particular green or revolutionary technology in the first place.
I think most agree that, at least, EVs are needed to evolve away from the CO2 generated from petroleum consumption used in cars and trucks. Yes yes, “public transportation better for moving people” but that doesn’t work for all countries especially those with lower density population areas. Further “public transporation” does nothing for the “last mile” delivery of goods with regard to logistics.
In almost every situation an EV is better than an ICE vehicle in respect to being “green” and vehicles are what our current systems are designed around.
No, I really don’t agree. Like, at all. The problem is largely that geometry of vehicles creates those highly-destructive, resource-intensive, low-density population areas, and that’s the problem that we need to address. In that respect, EVs are just like any other vehicle. Same streets, same highways, same parking lots, same garages, same bi-weekly grocery runs to the store 5 miles away. We can start to address those problems (zoning, building codes, environmental regulations, land-use, tax structures, and such) now, and it won’t be any easier after 20 years of further automobile-oriented development while we transition the fleet to EVs. It’ll just be 20 years more entrenched. Yeah, EVs help somewhat, but the way we’re approaching them now, they’re like treating 10% of your cancer.
(I take that back if the EVs we’re talking about here are e-bikes and micromobility devices.)
You’re talking about trying to fix a multi-generational problem. In many places the things you’re asking to change have been in place for hundreds years. The politics and land ownership laws and implications are immense! That is NOT a fast problem to fix. If you’re taking EVs off the table, then that means you’re committing to 30-50 years of ICE vehicles pumping out CO2 all of that time.
How can you consider non-EVs a greener solution in your scenario?
(I take that back if the EVs we’re talking about here are e-bikes and micromobility devices.)
Its simply not possible to deliver 2000kg or 2000lbs of cargo to a business for last mile delivery in a timely fashion without a much larger vehicle than an e-bike. Why on Earth would you want a belching diesel vehicle doing that for decades on end when an EV could it with zero CO2 emissions?
It’s a multi-generational problem, so we should start fixing it now. Why is it going to be easier to solve 30-50 years from now? Why should we wait until we’ve transitioned to EVs to start the process? What is it about EVs is going to make that easier?
in fact EVS uses rare earth metals which are not mined in a ecofriendly way. the best way is to ride buses and fund mass transportation.
it took Tesla to make China move.
Maybe so, but I’m not sure whether Tesla really needed Elon Musk.
Really? So where are all its peer competitors? This person has obviously gone off the rails but was once extremely good at making seemingly impossible things happen.
was once extremely good at making seemingly impossible things happen.
Seeing them land the Starship booster on the chopsticks - I’d say that he still is.
What did he do?
The charismatic guy at the top may always get all the credit, but hundreds of other people played a role in Tesla’s success. He wasn’t even a founder of the company. All we can really say is that he bought in at the right time, but we don’t know how much of Tesla’s success was down to his personal decisions. If anything, it seems like Tesla’s decline really started when Musk started using the company more and more for his personal pet projects (Cybertruck, Teslabots etc) rather than the cars that people actually want.
I agree that Ellen was significant in the race to EVs, but that is definitely in the past. As far as present tense goes, nah.
The tenses are a bit murky “I used to think ‘he’s useful…’” “this still true…” could kinda go either way, but it sounds like you’re saying it applies today, and nah.
Just read what I write, rather than what you think I might be trying to say.
I can’t find it now but there was an analysis a few days ago by a reputable source, maybe in The Atlantic, which said basically what I just said. It’s not scandalous. The guy has an impressive record as a business leader. Perhaps not as a product specialist, or even an engineer, but as force for making things happen at the company level.
Anyway, apparently there’s not much willingness to engage in nuanced debate here so that’s all I have to say.
Never been a Musk fan but I remember on Reddit everyone was calling him the “nerd king” who would change the world
And he did change the world. To the worse.
fr with how much stuff he’s fucked up so fast it has to be a record of some sort
We had hope then
he always seem wierd to me wasnt a good first impression, he made news, i assume many people found out who he was when announcing the sub/calling the thai seals pedos.
Yeah, that thing with the Thai soccer team really opened my eyes. Later, I saw a documentary on the situation, and there was no way that his submarine idea could have worked, it simply would not have fit.
But rather than accept that those on the scene were more knowledgeable about the situation, he immediately jumped to calling the rescuers pedos, as if the only reason they wanted to rescue them was because they were young boys, and wanted to molest them. What an unhinged take, proving that he was more interested in playing the hero and feeding his ego, than actually rescuing anyone. He saw an opportunity for global promotion, and was pissed when it was denied to him.
It showed me a side that we hadn’t seen before, but turned out to be his real personality.
I’ll never forget the chill that ran down my spine when that thing with these cave kids happend in Thailand, and some random guy tweeted him: pleas mr. Musk, you are the closest thing we have to tony stark, help them. I felt genuinely disgusted.
Musk losing it and calling that other dude a pedo during this event is what got me to start hopping off the musk train, so I kinda feel thankful for it?
Watching the SpaceX engineers transform those pods overnight really highlighted the fact that all he does is talk until other, more capable people actually make it happen. They probably could have been quite helpful had he not got in the way with his tantrums.
Side note: wondering if humans will ever figure out that they are not designed to be in caves
You’d think so right? I’m a certified diver and love swimming around the bottom of the ocean but caves and climbing inside shipwrecks is a hard pass. Just going through a lava tube and scraping my tank on the rock gives me the heebie jeebies
OMG yeah you got dark, tight space AND filled with water?? You got a 50/50 chance of getting Darwinized
they are not designed to be in caves
are they design for cardboard box in the middle of a lake?
At teh end it really wasn’t helpful at all and the diver who saved them explained why. That led to his tantrum. I appreciate they tried, but at the end they werre just victims of a marketing stunt.
THE Transphobe
I hate that I’m pretty sure who you’re referring to.
Can’t go back to loving Harry Potter anymore. 🙃
Sad indeed, it really sours it.
It goes back aways, but Dennis Miller went from borderline “edgy” to complete wimp and GW simp after 9/11.
Total 180Kevin Spacey. Bill Cosby. Danny Masterson. Steven Tyler. Anthony Kedis.
They are all gross now that I know more about them; some moreso than others.
cringey how miley kunis and asthon kutcher were shilling for him, and then fleeing to the europe, because they are facing criticism or connection to him/ SA. Ellen did the same thing with diddy.
I kind of feel for people who were close with people who were outed as sex offenders, because they didnt come in on monday “Hey, Danny! How was your weekend?” “Bro I spiked a girls drink and raped her in my car, it was awesome.” I worked with a guy for years, his daughter had “issues” and then one day it came out that he was a sexual abuser of his own daughter. Which explained her mental health issues. In that case he quit his job, got his affairs in order and pled guilty. But I still remember thinking he was a great guy, until he wasnt… now I’m going to find it really hard to not pop his nose out the back of his fucking head if I ever run into him again.
Now throw in the potential “attention seeking” behaviors that could happen with famous people, people hoping for a payout, jilted exes and someone you have known for years swearing up and down they didnt do it… Id want to support my friend too.
manipulators can be either party though. You have the manipulators swearing they didnt do it and you have the manipulators trying to extort.
You also have people who don’t understand what they did was rape and while they claim they didnt rape: the details are exactly that.
And often rapists are more believed over a rape victim.
Hence why it often takes multiple victims for a rape charge.
Also false accusation is not the same as inconclusive.
Lots of nuance.
To be fair, RHCP has never been more than 75% awesome
Yeah honestly I debated putting that one in. Under the Bridge is a solid song, and flea and the drummer are independently good.
Honestly just wanted to remind people he admitted to dating a 16 year old when he was 24.
I feel like I’m the only one who was always creeper out by Kevin Spacey. American Beauty just seemed like blatant confirmation he was no good to me.
For me Bill Cosby was not surprising. Danny Masterson was disappointing. I havent yet heard what Steven Tyler or Kevin Spacey did and now I’m afraid to Google it. I have no idea who Anthony Kiedis is.
…just looked them all up…sigh, yeah. I’m with you. It does make it impossible to appreciate the art with that knowledge.
I got about a dozen YouTubers and streamers that fit in this box.
It seems to be inevitable. They either stop posting or streaming, or they reveal themselves to be kind of messed up.
Anyone with colored hair that screams at the camera in their face is banned from my network. Can’t subject my kid to that trash.
Iskall85 for me.
David Draiman. Sadly I can’t listen to the guy sing anymore without my brain thinking of the horrors he is actively supporting.
Oh god damn it, what did he do? I’m assuming something to do with Palestine. I had just gotten back into Disturbed after just kind of forgetting they existed for ~10 years…
He autographed bombs the IDF were planning to drop on Palestine. He even posted a photo of himself doing it.
Will Smith because of what he did to Chris Rock. Guy isn’t a genuine role model anymore.
Yeah. He got slappy wid’ it.
Na-na na-na na na-na!
Will smith was a role model?
He didn’t have to curse in his raps to sell records.
We’ll fuck him, and fuck you, too!
90s will Smith was the shit.
…and he used to be well respected, it’s so weird to see what has become of him lately.
Will Smith because of what he did to Chris Rock
Honestly even now the whole things looks so staged, almost like they were planning for it to be some kind of inside joke and it went wrong?? I just dont get it, never will.
Pussy can make man crazy.
why do you people love celebrities so much?
if someone handles a ball nicely, writes a book, sings a song or plays guitar, like them for that and stop assuming they must also be wise in family advice or politically savvy
You have to be incredibly good at something for me to ignore you being an asshole. There are also certain things that are unforgivable even if the art is good.
It’s like Cosby was funny, but he drugged and raped people, so it’s hard to laugh at him now.
Absolutely, but I think you misunderstood me…
Let’s pretend for a moment Cosby is not a rapist; why do anyone infer that, because his comedy was good, he would be a good role model or have savvy life advice to give or know about politics, etc?
I completely agree with you that it’s is almost impossible to enjoy whatever celebrities do (art, sports, etc) if they are horrible people. however, that line is subjective. Many would still like Cosby if we had found out he does not donate to charity or even if he is an absent dad or if he were a terrible driver… obviously the rapist thing goes too far
I’m gonna be the first akshually here and point out that Cosby is a bad example because he DID present himself as a guiding voice and role model and came to fame by creating a cartoon showing inner city kids how to be good to each other and handle life issues.
and then theres people say the only way he could actually do that was getting inspiration from his rapes and SA.
It really comes down to the calculus of how much I like them vs what did they actually do (with some things being truly unforgivable).
For example, Sylvester Stallone recently came out in big support of Trump. To me, that makes him a huge ass. That said, I’ll still watch Rocky 4 if it comes on (all the while, in the back of my head thinking “wow, really, Trump… that’s your guy?”). So my perception of him and his movies change, but also it’s his right to be an idiot.
In the same vein, Rob Schneider has recently made his whole personality a bitter old conservative "comic’. He really brings little of value to the table, so he can easily be dismissed. His value/drama ratio isn’t worth giving him the time of day – we’ll outside of this example.
I can’t totally divorce the person from their content, but I try when their stuff is great and what they did isn’t too repulsive.
seinfeld is like rob,“why arnt you laughing at my jokes, are you all woke” no because you support israel government, and your wife is currently funding state side groups.
After hearing from Robs daughter how she was treated and what he was / is like as a person, I can’t like anything he did, and it all comes across narcissistic and creepy from that viewpoint. It’s like a game of power but with a curse. (whatever that game is really called,)
he was never that good in the movies without his co-stars.
The audience can make up their mind on how to enjoy entertainment without your approval of their thoughts and experiences . That’s how free will works.
I’m not granting or denying approval to anyone… I simply wonder why people do certain stuff
Go back to reddit to pick fights with strangers there!
You gave way too hard of an opinion to call that leading question ‘curiosity’.
Go back to truth social where you can live in your little echo chamber and maybe stop baiting. You’re too fragile to be playing that game.
LOL sorry for not having an opinion that agrees with your world view?
Neil Gaiman amongst many others named here.
Dave Chapelle
hes basically, why is everyone getting upset about my transphobic jokes. and then all the conservatives start flocking to his show.
Dave Chapelle
Yup, he turned into a dick as he got old. A lot of celebs do that, or they cant afford that PR team anymore that used to make the look like they werent aholes.
American Beauty got me to like Kevin Spacey. Kevin Spacey got me to stop liking Kevin Spacey.
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Damned shame as he was one of the finest actors working.
hes also gross how he continue to deflect even after all it came out, pedos usually stay quiet.
If he’d handled it like an adult, owned up to his past behavior, and done something to show that he’s sorry, he might still be working
pedos rarely instrospect or apologize, because they know its wrong. one of his victims was rapp i believe. spacey was doubling down by deflecting every chance he got.
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Don’t leave out how weird she started acting. Like it was 10 minutes but she acted like she was on shrooms and then her music got fucking weird as did her dancing and videos.
It’s like she forgot how to be an artist and started acting like an amateur romping around in some basement.
Maybe she’s dug into Elon’s stash.
