Hear me out… But should we be asking why there are so many things, steam included, that are still on 32b libraries?
I mean the answer is pretty easy: video games generally have a long shelf life and no maintenance at some point after they’re released.
Throwing a tantrum isn’t how to get what you want. This is a common behavior in the OSS world from wannabe BDFLs. Linus Torvalds or Guido van Rossum earned that title through merit, not through the simple luck of your side project going viral.
Bazzite is just Fedora Atomic with some extra preinstalled software. If it dies, it’ll hurt the community of Linux gamers who picked it for whatever reason, but it won’t make Fedora maintain 32 bit packages forever.
When Redhat went Fedora, I learned Debian and Ubuntu. When they decided to flush CentOS, I GTFO even professionally and stayed out of their ancestral distros.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m down with change and updating, but they are very focused on making things better/easier for themselves without worries about who they’re supposed to be supporting.
Ugghhh, I just got it set up with arr stack on my media computer. Can someone more familiar with the trajectory of the project tell me the odds of this actually happening? Or is it more of a PR move to get people’s attention on the Fedora project?
Well, no. If it actually happens, Bazzite can’t exist. Valve only releases 32bit of Steam for the official client. If support for 32bit is removed from Fedora, then gamers won’t be able to use Steam on Fedora or its downstream distros.
I think I can hear Bringus sobbing somewhere
See. This is why I game only on Windows. There’s never any controversy or issues there. /s
I’ll see myself out now.
Instead of shutting down why not choose another distro base
The only notable thing about Bazzite is that it’s built on top of Fedora Atomic, making it immutable like SteamOS.
Without that, it’s just a regular old distro with some opinions about which software should be preinstalled.
That would require redoing everything. It would be a massive project, and honestly since there’s already other gaming oriented distros out there, what would be the point? It’s not like Garuda or PopOS is shit.
Probably a lot of time and work to do so, they’ve spent a lot of time learning what tweaks Fedora needs.
Why not ride streams coat-tails and switch to arch?
Makes sense
After Bazzite I went to Garuda, is also gaming focused and has a handy helper app that helps you install common software, run updates, and more.
If you need a new distro it’s worth a look.
I went to Garuda
THERE’S DOZENS OF US, DOZENS!!
Hell yeah brother, make it 11 of us!
💪💪💪💪
Isn’t Garuda also based on Fedora?
Edit: I was thinking of Nobara.
god these names just sound the fucking same, garudo nobara banuda ronada, talking about linux gaming distros is liable to summon a demon
I guarantee you will summon a number of daemons running any of them though!
Genuinely funny comment, thank you.
I go with CachyOs Ik ik the compiler optimizations only give a minor difference and maybe major in latency but am just comfy with it.
I just like how minimal is the distroWhy not just install the CachyOS kernel onto Fedora (like me)? I then deleted the stock kernle and now make sure to use --exclude=kernel* when updating. Works like a charm.
Cachyos has some great default setup choices too. Limine with btrfs + snapper, all preconfigured… spot on!
Honestly go for EnOS. Garuda is neat and has a good default setup, but they’ve gone a little far with their modifications imo
There is a lite version, but sure whatever you prefer.
base your whole project on a corporate Nazi shill company like IBM and find out.
watchu talkin bout mate
Red hat is owned by IBM which is a Nazi enabling mega corpo
I mean companies by definition surrender to power for the sake of profit. I don’t see how that makes them any better or worse than any other company that functions under our current system
Well then you should consider some reading on the issue.
lmao hope this amounts to a bunch of linux newbies learning what distro hopping is.
Until they distro hop back to Windows because they just want shit to work.
Skill issue.
Why would distro hopping be a good thing? I thought that was a problem, hoping from one distro to the next not settling on one. I always see people encouraging newbies to stick to one and learn how Linux works.
its a important part of the learning process going to far in and needing to get out
it’s part of ‘fucking around and finding out’
Nobara gave me a month to start
Dammit - found Bazzite one week ago and love it - now its embroiled in a controversy.
If it helps at all some of the comments in the linked discussion mentions it’s at minimum a year out
Dw, this will pass - there is too much passion in the project, and too many with stakes in it too. If it is installed on so many people’s systems, we will have many people eager to see this continue also.
Same here. Nobara was too glitchy so I switched to Bazzite and love it so far. Sigh.
Why would they not just use an Arch base like the real SteamOS does?
I used EndeavorOS in the past which was a successor to AntergOS, both arch based, with gui installer and easy nvidia driver setup, they both worked like a charm without any issues (unlike fucking Manjaro).
Fedora and Red Hat are innovating image-based operating systems. Universal Blue builds on that work.
It would take effort to port that work to Arch. Arch is also a rolling distro, not updating means not getting security updates. Fedora’s release cycle allows them to get more stability, they don’t have to be using the latest version.
i think the effort has already been made, unless i’m misunderstanding what cachyos is
That’s reasonable. Thanks!
I wouldn’t be shocked if Fedora went through with it. If anyone remembers canonical tried to do this with you one to some years ago. They backed down then after push back as well.
You one to
What. The. Fuck.
Speech to text is my guess. You one to = Ubuntu?
pre-size pan go lean
PikaOS is Debian based, and they’ve built the deps they need for Steam in 32-bit, so it’s not the end of the world AFAIK. GloriousEggroll seems to be part of it too, so if any refugees are looking for something not Fedora-based there you go. Although his efforts for now seem focused more on Nobara (which is Fedora-based) maybe this will cause some shake-ups there too. I can see Pika is already picking up speed from this though, the Discord is super active.
Even if Fedora doesn’t ever drop support I think even considering the possibility is shaking people’s confidence in using it as a base going forward, sort of like how Unity’s quickly-walked-back disasters drove people irrevocably towards Godot and other engines. Arch and Arch-based distros are probably starting to look much more appealing too.
Shit, now i gotta do the distribution shuffle again.
Too early, as the other comment said… However, if this happens, I’d hope that the SteamOS desktop image will be officially available which seems pretty similar to Bazzite, but based on Arch instead of Fedora.
It’s way too early to make that call. This is a proposal for collecting feedback. I am not sure if this has been proposed before, but I would guess you would make these proposals from time to time to gauge the feedback, and when you see support for keeping it fall to a low level you can finally make the jump. As one of the comments in the thread mentions, now might not be the right time but you can’t keep supporting it forever. Eventually you push 32 bit apps into emulators like what happened with 16 bit.
where we goin
Over there!
