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    Your unhoused numbers are wrong. Those are the official “sleeping on the streets” numbers, which is not the same thing. First because they’re official, and therefore almost certainly undercounting, and second because they exclude all of the situations where people don’t have houses but are kinda not exactly in a cardboard box.

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    Given the confluence of weeb culture and the alt-right (think incels and “traditionalists” with anime avatars, right-wing gamers pointing to Japan as a high-tech conservative utopia untouched by wokeness and such), it was inevitable that sooner or later someone would try to imagine a Japan that goes to Latin Mass.

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    I do not trust any stats that come out of Japan in terms of homelessness. If there’s a statistic that’s embarrassing for Japanese society, you know damn well they’re gonna try to cover it up with technicalities.

    In Japan, the legal definition for someone who is homeless is: “those who use city parks, riverbanks, roads, train stations and other facilities as their place of stay in order to live their daily lives.”

    So that doesn’t include living in your car, living in insecure housing, living in shelters, or living in internet cafés, of which in 2020 there were about 15,000 ‘net café refugees’ in Tokyo alone.

    Sooo yeah, Japan can claim to officially have a super low homeless population, because they’ve narrowed the definition so much that you have to literally be sleeping on the street for it to count.

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    I just woke up, but I don’t think the unit should be percentage per 100k people. Otherwise, I agree with the statement though.

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      Fuck all religion. No I don’t want to reject reality to play make believe.

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          Hail Satan!

          Jokes aside, it’s good to see more Satanists out in the wild. TST has been doing great shit, and I’m all here for it.

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          So you genuinely believe Satan exists and has influence in the world? Where does he live under the Earths mantle?

          Because that is entirely at odds with everything we know about reality.

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            Many, if not most, modern satanists are atheistic satanists. Satan is merely a convenient bit of Judeo-Christian mythology/imagery used to irritate Christians.

            While I hesitate to recommend The Satanic Temple due to the actions of one of the founders, their “7 Fundamental Tenets” are a pretty great basis for an atheistic worldview.

            Edit: normally, I’d link some resources, but it’s late, I’m on mobile, and search engines exist, so… Sorry, not sorry.

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              So he’s not religious and doesn’t actually believe in Satan?

              It’s like atheism with extra useless steps.

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                Sort of.

                The satanic Temple chose their name because of the literal meaning of the word “Satan”, which may be the name of the big bad from religious types but actually means “adversary” when directly translated from Hebrew.

                Atheists can take all forms, and by no means do I assume what any individual believes, but by the very definition, atheists can be extremely passive in their belief, or more accurately, non-belief. The atheists I know are usually very live and let live, after a while because they realize that arguing the point with religious folks usually doesn’t get you anywhere.

                TST is dedicated to the fair use and representation of religions in society. They’re obviously based in the USA where there is a separation of church and state, at least, there’s supposed to be. So the state cannot show favoritism to any religion, but they often do. Usually with monuments like a depiction of the ten commandments placed on city owned land. This is a real and fairly recent issue that TST got involved on. They asked that a statue of Baphomet be placed on the same city owned land, forcing the city into a position of either allowing the statue to be placed along side the very Christian ten commandments, or admit that they are favoring Christianity, which they basically cannot do because it’s a violation of their station.

                Satanists are a bit more active, by default, than atheists. Not to say atheists are inactive or lazy, it’s just that Satanists have a very specific target.

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                  Look it’s cool that you’re in a philosophical moral club, but don’t go around defending religion by calling yourself a religion and saying ‘look at me as an example of a good religion’ when you don’t actually hold religious/supranatural beliefs.

                  And if you do hold such beliefs, don’t claim you accept reality.

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                Trolling the politicians who try to violate the separation of church and state isn’t useless.

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                Being a Satanist while identifying as an atheist is often associated with a specific philosophical stance rather than a belief in a literal Satan or supernatural entities. In this context, Satanism can be seen as a symbolic representation of individualism, self-empowerment, and rebellion against traditional religious norms. Here are some key points to consider:

                • Atheistic Satanism: Many atheistic Satanists do not believe in a literal Satan but use the figure as a symbol of freedom, personal responsibility, and the questioning of authority.
                • Moral Framework: For these individuals, Satanism can serve as a moral compass that emphasizes personal ethics, critical thinking, and the pursuit of knowledge. It often promotes values such as individualism, self-determination, and hedonism, but within a framework that encourages personal responsibility.
                • Philosophical Approach: This form of Satanism is more about philosophy and lifestyle than theology. It focuses on human experience and the material world rather than spiritual or supernatural beliefs.
                • Cultural Critique: Atheistic Satanism can also be a critique of organized religion, particularly Christianity, and may advocate for secularism and the separation of church and state.

                In summary, being a Satanist while being an atheist often reflects a philosophical and ethical stance rather than a theological one, emphasizing personal empowerment and a rejection of traditional religious dogma.

                TL;DR Atheism simply means you don’t believe in a god. It makes no other claims. Satanism encompasses more than that simple perspective.

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                  It’s pretty commendable that you’re trying to educate that person. I wouldn’t have even bothered since it’s clear that they’re asking questions in bad faith.

                  Paraphrasing it:

                  So you believe in Satan? That’s stupid.

                  And

                  So you’re atheist? With useless extra steps, too.

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    Japan also has a terrifyingly high conviction rate, something those Christians would cream themselves over.

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    Is there something wrong with her heart? Maybe she needs to go see a doc… oh, wait nvm. We’ll just pray the pain away for her.

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    % per 100k? This person is making a valid point, but it’s undermined somewhat by the fact they’ve clearly fucked up something.

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        .2% per year? So we should expect about 10% of people to be murdered by 50?

        I was going to say .2% is better than I thought, but that’s pretty dire.

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          0.2 people, not percentage. That was what they were trying to straighten out because percent per 100k doesn’t make sense.

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          Yeah, but those other stats are raw numbers. Okay, we have a higher number of unhoused people and food-insecure people, but we also have a higher number of people, period. If you wanna make a point, it has to be per capita. I like how the first stat got this right, but the others did not.

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            Ya might be a good point but it’s a distracting mess

            Thankfully we already know a little bit about both of our situations so we get the gist

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      Eh, the population difference is less than one order of magnitude and the difference in homelessness is two orders of magnitude.

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        It’s not about that, it’s about “% per 100k” making no sense as a unit. It’s either just %, or an absolute number per 100k. Mixing both together like this makes it seem like you’ve clearly messed something up and don’t quite understand what you’re actually talking about.

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    The US is really just a big social experiment trying to prove a point.

    I’m not sure what that point is, but it’s definitely out there.

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      Well, the best times in American history were when corporate and wealth taxes were high and opportunities for the unwashed masses were greatest, and the worst were when the rich were allowed to run rampant, so I think the point America is trying to make is kill the greedy along with their parents and children.

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        I actually wouldn’t put it past them to help bulldoze the entire planet to make an intergalactic highway if it meant they’d get Earth money in exchange. They’re already doing that with the environment, so…

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    correlation is not causation, the reason why they have less murders is probably not Christianity (for example they have way stricter gun control)

    edit: after rereading the post I don’t think the other person is tryng to argue that Christianity is causing murder and whatnot, so ignore above paragraph

    also wouldn’t it make complete sense for Japan to have way less Christians since they were isolated for so long and have their own religious beliefs

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        The Moonies are so wacky that calling them “Christian” is a stretch. Definitely not aligned with the Nicene creed, and I think once the founder/prophet claims some sort of divinity it’s better to refer to as Christian derived.

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      This part of ‘what your bible says about murder and poor people’ makes it sound like the writer of the response believes it’s causational but i think they were just offended and not trying to make a scientifically sound argument. And i would understand that.

      It’s almost racist because of how the first post makes Christianity sound like something superior. As if the Japanese being different in their believe makes them less.

      also wouldn’t it make complete sense for Japan to have way less Christians since they were isolated for so long and have their own religious beliefs

      Exactly this. Although Japanese rulers haven’t always been very peaceful, their culture is known for being caring and respectful towards others where as Americans are by many people seen as loud and obnoxious (also positive things, but i’m not trying to make a comparison between two cultures as a whole), making this comment about Japanese adoption of Christianity not only come across as ignorant but also very arrogant.

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        Although Japanese rulers haven’t always been very peaceful, their culture is known for being caring and respectful towards others:

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Japan

        Many people try to make Japan sound perfect, but they have a lot of problems: https://archive.ph/0IoIQ

        Japan lacks any law which prohibits racial, ethnic, or religious discrimination.

        wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Junko_Furuta

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi

        Of course still not as bad as the US, but I don’t it is because of religion, it is more because of the two party system. Look at Singapore 18% Christians and they don’t have that many problems.

        In the end I believe most problems in all countries are because of human nature, not religion. Religion is just one of the excuses they use for the horrible things they commit.

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          Many people try to make Japan sound perfect, but they have a lot of problems

          Japan lacks any law which prohibits racial, ethnic, or religious discrimination.

          I am aware, but the difference in people’s view of Japanese people and people from US is astounding.

          Agree with you and comment above, I don’t believe there is causation. Two system is surely not helping to make US peaceful.

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        It’s more a statement of the state of Christianity in the United States, where in a lot of congregations the actual teachings of Jesus have taken a back seat to gun culture and right wing politics.

        She’s saying that the Japanese are better Christians than Americans, despite not even being Christians.

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          “Beat your swords into plowshares,” says Isaiah. Yet, here we are, with congregations of people who feel that “there’s nothing wrong with being a soldier.”

          God’s first commandment? Yeah apparently that doesn’t mean shit if the other party is a stinky brownskin. I do not see a legal addendum on the Ten Commandments.

          “1. Thou Shalt Not Kill ***†”

          ***† only in participating stores, offer good til Labor Day, see appendix for list of people it’s totally cool to kill

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            I’m with you, but you’re talking about something like the 6th commandment depending on how you’re counting

            Edit: the first one is the “you shall have no other gods before me” bit, with the lines drawn for exactly where each commandment starts and stops drawn in different places for different factions, but I digress. I still agree with your point and I’ll stop typing more now.

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              So about the first commandment. The idiots have trump. I won’t talk about revelations, because how many hundreds of years nerd to go by to write “yawehs” word.