Here, and in most leftist spaces, why does Islam always get a pass?
is it because when people picture “muslim” they picture a POC but when they picture “Christian” they picture a straight white man?
You’re a child.
Spend the next decade listening to people instead of talking.
Then decide if you want to ask this question again.
It is islamophobia that always get a pass
You’re asking individuals why groups might display certain characteristics or opinions?
So, in my opinion, I could not care less what someone’s religion is - they are entirely welcome to whatever it is they believe, or whatever variant of the parent mythology they believe in respect of Abrahamism. Lots of theistically religious people have made significant contributions to science over the last few hundred years.
But what I do take issue with and am vocally against is when religions or religious individuals assume that their particular one is the only ‘right’ one and they try and manipulate or outright force those who are not part of that religion to obey their beliefs. This comes in the form of laws and law-making institutions mostly.
I live in a country where Muslims make up a very low percentage of the population and therefore they have little to no impact on how I choose to live. Christians on the other hand have a very large influence on the laws and institutions where I am so that’s where the majority of my protesting lies when it comes to religions. If the populations were reversed, so would be my protest.
… Depends on your definition of “okay”.
A maximally “good person” would not consider it OK to criticize someone’s religion, but they may criticize harmful activities that individuals perform, even if such individuals use their religion as an excuse to do harmful things–because it is not about religion, but rather about choices and actions.
However, I am admittedly not a maximally good person, no matter how much of a cinnamon roll I do wish I could be… And I draw the line a little further into the gray area, in that the thing that gives me pause is not “it’s a religion” but rather “participation in these activities–” this religion in particular “–strongly correlates with specific marginalized demographics.”
There is a very strong likelihood that dissing islam will also, with proverbial ‘splash damage’, hit people who are also going through a lot of awful shit with government leadership and legislation that somehow manages to STILL be more cruel and more corrupt than a given “global north” or “western” nation state.
So … It’s just awareness of context.
Also there is a chilling effect from all the highly publicized incidents where journalists are murdered for saying something that some individuals whom are Muslim do not agree with.
(although that does not make them look any worse than when israel murders journalists lately…)
Generally speaking, the normative population of christians (using the broadest possible definition in Literally Anyone Who Prays To Jesus) does not, statistically, suffer nearly as much oppression as muslims.
So … due to EXTERNALITIES, mocking islam itself, specifically, feels too much like ‘punching down’ for my liking. It is my hypothesis that there are other people hesitating to talk shit for the same or at least similar reasons. Meanwhile, mocking christianity is quite a bit less like ‘punching down’ because the most corrupt, powerful, dastardly sacks of shit on the planet dress themselves up as christians.
…That said, I do not think anyone has a leg to stand on as far as trying to dictate at other people that they are “allowed” to mock some religions but not others. I for one believe this is a personal choice that one must make for oneself. If you wish it did not happen, the extent of one’s individual influence is to choose not to oneself.
I am a leftist. Islam most certainly does not “get a pass”.
I recommend paying more attention to context.
When Christian nationalism bans all Muslims from airplanes, that’s racist (yeah, I know, religion isn’t a race, but it’s easier to type and hate is hate.) Muslims shouldn’t be treated like that.
When Israel is mass bombing schools and hospitals, that’s a genocide, Muslims don’t deserve that.
When a Muslim judge decides that a woman wasnt respectful enough to her husband and should be beheaded, that’s fucked up, fuck Islam.
I don’t give a fuck what “team” anybody is on. I’m going to speak up against injustice when it happens, and here and now, I see is Christians committing and supporting injustices against others. Until they stop, you’ll keep hearing us point them out.
Protestanism is Heresy, they may claim to be Christians but they are not
And with this comment you’ve proven yourself to be just as biased and hateful as the people you are complaining about.
I understand now, that YOU have no problem insulting millions of people because of their religion, you just don’t like it when they do they same thing back at you.
how is it hateful?
how did I insult the people?
a heresy is just a belief that is so wrong that it breaks the Christian faith
Arrogance.
“My version of Jesus is the ONLY correct one, and anyone who disagrees is a heretic.”
I think you’ll get “persecuted” a lot less if you just focused on your own relationship with God, and stopped worrying about other people’s relationships with God.
if you see someone drinking poison on the street, do you not take the bottle from their hands and call an ambulance?
Assuming it’s a grown ass adult, of course not.
It’s not my place to decide what other people should be allowed to drink. If the guy is drinking it, maybe he knows something you don’t, maybe that “poison” is actually good for him, maybe he needs it to live.
Again, arrogance. What makes you so special that you know better than every other single person living on Earth?
for the sake of the metaphor, if someone that you love is going to eat nyquil chicken, you ARE going to stop them right?
it would be immoral not to
Go fuck your double standards
It’s never okay.
Regarding Islam, they are famous for hunting and killing such offenders worldwide regardless of any law.
Well I don’t know what to tell you friend. I’m as bathed in the blood as they come and this has not been my experience. Consider Proverbs 11:27
“Whoever seeks good finds favor, but evil comes to one who searches for it.”
I’m as bathed in the blood as they come and this has not been my experience
That’s fucking creepy.
Don’t ever tell people that in real life.
How about you do you and I do me?
Just trying to help, bud. Regular people don’t bathe in blood, even if metaphorically.
How am I not following my own advice?
I’ve seen a goth themed burlesque where one of the preformers had dumping blood on them as part of the act (I assume stage blood) and it was cool.
But religious people? Yeah that’s a fucking creppy part of religion.
Ah, true… GWAR shows are also supposed to be pretty fun.
They are.
Were you really raised to believe its ok curse out people with slurs for being religious?
That is what I see on lemmy
I don’t curse out people who simply believe in something and act like decent human beings regardless of their spiritual alignment.
I curse out people proselytizing, i curse out people who say others are worth less because of what they believe. If you are in the latter group, feel cursed out by me.
All humans are equally loved by God
Tell that to the billions suffering.
Where? Got any links to this?
please go through my profile
I (regrettably) went through your profile and I see no evidence of what you’re claiming in the OP. What I do see, though, is plenty of evidence that you like to make claims without evidence and then annoy people until they start cursing at you. It’s simultaneously very Christian (religion is not based on verifiable evidence) and not very Christian (which preaches tolerance and respect) of you. My advice: lay off on the proselytising and you’ll be better accepted by people who have differing opinions on religion.
I respect, tolerate and love every single human being.
But not their sin, or specific sinful/heretical ideogies
and “religion is not based on verifiable evidence” is false
Christianity has a lot of evidence and people just like to ignore ALL of it because they would have to stop living a sinful lifestyle and tend to their Spirit and not constantly their flesh
I respect, tolerate and love every single human being.
This is why the saying “There is no hate as strong as a Christians love.” exists.
If your “love” is causing people to curse you, maybe you should ask for consent before spewing “love” on people.
Would rather not.
A) lemmy is not real life
B) most lemmy users are from the West where conservatives have been blatantly anti-Muslim for ages. From the perspective of Americans and Europeans, left-wing defense of Islam is about defending our neighbors from hate.
C) lemmy is extremely atheist, you will find criticism of anything here. Block and move on
most people here have USbrain, they cant fathom anything outside the US
Greetings from the EU. I hate religious nutjobs, regardless of their chosen delusion.
Oh fuck off, this is your own bias talking.
a) well this is, after all, asklemmy isnt it?
b) yeah, I see that a lot, bunch of people from here think “Christians” and “Republicans” mean the same thing (which is absolutely incorrect and factually wrong)
c) thanks
Look up the “No true Scotsman”-Fallacy, which absolutely hits the nail on the head when conflating Christian Evangelists and Republicans. Just saying they aren’t real christians doesn’t make them less christian.
They dont follow the Athanasian Creed They dont follow the Church
how are they Christian?
because they claim to be?
if I claimed to be you, would I be you?
They are christian, regardless of you liking it or not. That it the principle of the “no true scotsman”-fallacy. Read up on it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
why are they “Christian”?
If I claimed to be you, would I be you?
They are not Christian
What makes it okey or not okey? Community rules?
if you try to say ANYTHING related to the Church on Lemmy, youre gonna get 5 types of Comments
- Pedophiles (???)
- slur
- slur
- I HATE YOU AND DKOEIRJR RUI3O3JOJK
- Reddit Atheist that crumbles up and calls you a slur when presented with proof
If you push religious worldviews here on lemmy, you will get laughed out. This is not confined to a single religion, but rather to all of them outside of academic discussions regarding religions, which are often very interesting.
If you proselytize, you deserve any shit you get thrown your way, because you started throwing shit into the community.
Reddit Atheist that crumbles up and calls you a slur when presented with proof
Please show me the proof. I promise not to call you slurs.
https://nacn-usa.org/wp-content/uploads/Zugibe-scanned-reports-26-3-05-and-15-3-05-RON-ack.pdf
The Eucharistic Miracle of Buenos Aires
Blood type AB Human Cardiac Tissue growing on catholic host that was left to dissolve in water but didn’t
So if I understand, this letter only repeats the claim which was told to the doctor who wrote this letter… Which part proves the claim?
the doctor who wrote this letter was the one who studied the host
When I was later told that the heart tissue was kept in tap water for about a month and transferred to sterile, distilled water for three year
Doo they have proof of this? Or just two dudes word and pinky promise they are telling the truth?
cardiac tissue cannot grow from contamination via fingertips or tap water unless it is a miracle
even if it was mishandled, you cannot keep human cardiac tissue ALIVE for YEARS just via contamination and a water container
Hearsay, hearsay and more hearsay. There is no proof that the tissue has been in water, but the inspecting physician has been very adamant that tissue being stored in water for YEARS, regardless of distilled or not, cannot show the blood cells in the sample, because they would have been washed out ages ago. This leaves 4 possibilities:
- The people bringing in the sample were telling bullshit tales. This is by far the most probable reason.
- Someone who has reason to make it appear like a miracle has messed with the samples, replacing them. This doesn’t mean the people bringing the samples in don’t think this is authentic, but without a 100% secured chain of custody it cannot be ruled out. There are people who would be able to make a lot of money out of something like this, so this is the second-most probable reason, and would give the people bringing the sample in additional authenticity because they really believe.
- The physician made MULTIPLE errors while analyzing the sample. We can’t rule this out, but if he is somewhat competent, this is very improbable
- We see a miracle. As long as the chain of custody over the samples isn’t 100% watertight, as it is in this case, this isn’t even improbable, it is borderline impossible.
Bring us irrefutable proof (hint: you won’t be able to) that this sample hasn’t been messed with in the years before it landed on that physicians desk.
how can you “mess with” a sample to make LIVING heart tissue appear on it when you are presumably two catholic clergymen with limited resources?
Are you suggesting that they performed a vivisection and took out LIVING heart tissue and preserved it for years and managed to keep the WBCs alive?
proof
Lol right. Better go claim your Nobel Prize then.
for what?
For proving Christianity is real.
That’s like the holy grail. You will become rich and famous.
What are you waiting for? Go provide your proof to the Nobel Committee.
Or are you afraid?
Nobel Prize in what?
Chemistry? Physics? Theres no Nobel Prize in theology
That’s not what I asked. Why do you think it’s OK to use slurs in this situation and not in others? Because of upvotes? Because you reported it and some comments were removed but others weren’t? Because of some written rules?
Where do you see those discussions? I don’t think I have ever seen people discuss religion on lemmy. We probably follow different communities. What communities are you talking about?

I’ve never encountered a community of people hating on religion not shitting on Islam as much as other abrahamic religions.
What can be is that many “western” politicians try to use Christianity to push their agenda, so people shit on this christians harder, because it’s closer and we are often reminded how shitty people are that try to use religion as a weapon.
I’m guessing because of the genocides? After the Holocaust, Jews pretty much got a Get Out of Jail Free card for decades to say/do whatever… Judaism doesn’t really recruit though, so this wasn’t really an issue until the Zionist war machine began committing genocide in Palestine. Between that and what happened in China, people are starting to let Muslims get a pass, just because they’re so persecuted.
I didn’t really think they had a pass since so many of them are being slaughtered.
Christians haven’t actually been persecuted in ages. The thing is, Christianity is the most evangelical, so they go into other countries and try to convert everyone. Not everyone takes to it well. So when people resist conversion, Christians act persecuted, when no one was threatening them in their homes, but quite the opposite.
As an Atheist I just wonder why we can’t all just get along.
Christianity is actually persecuted a lot
and their “rejecting conversion” is most of the times burning down and desecrating Churches alongside murdering innocent Christians
And “conversion” isnt a bad thing at all
Christianity is actually persecuted a lot
United you live somewhere where Christianity is forbidden, you have no idea what persecution is.
there are a LOT of places where Christianity is forbidden
Where, drop a location and their local laws.
Federal Republic of Somalia
Provisional Constituion of 2012
Article 17
Declaration 2
“No religion except Islam can be propagated in the Federal Republic of Somalia”
Declaration 1: Every person is free to practice his or her religion.
Just because you can’t go and convert them doesn’t mean christianity is oulawed.
Bad faith fuckwit.

A LOT? Say ten places.
ten countries, and probably even more
name 10 countries where islam is forbidden
Come on buddy, you made a claim. Can’t come up with a couple examples? Go ask Grok maybe.
you didnt ask me for an example
And which one of them do you live in?
I cannot disclose
Cool. Be sure to let us know when you’ve converted to Islam.
yeah, most people dont see Christianity as persecuted even when it is, because the US is the only country they can think of and Trump masqurades as a “Christian” so he’s ruining the reputation of every single one of the actual Christians, which is probably what he wants because as WWII demonstrated, the Church is one of the last “obstacles” to a dictatorship
Islam doesn’t get a pass, Christianity is just a LOT more relevant in the spaces you move.
… Wait, we’ve had this conversation.
Because the eternal enemy of the far left, the United States, spent the first part of the 2000s at war with Islamists. (And before to a lesser extent due to US support for Israel)
Both the far right and islamists want to blur the line between islam and islamists in order to push moderate muslims away from the west. The far left being opposed to anything US does will defend it.
Yeah, and the belief that “anything US claims to be, BAD” is incorrect
Id probs say its more the far left, but just like the far right, they cherry pick what suits them at the time
Do you want to call Muslims slurs? What about engage in antisemitism? What’s the real drama going on with you? I don’t picture straight white cis men when I think of Christianity, I picture hateful republicans.
I dont think anyone should be called slurs
Please do not picture hateful republicans.
Pope Leo XIV has condemned Trump’s actions
And a shitton of US pastors said Trump doesn’t go far enough. The “no true scotsman”-fallacy at work.
Protestantism is not Christianity
Sorry I should have double-checked your account before replying. Anyway, I will continue picturing your hateful religion as hateful.
how is it hateful?
People like you, mainly.
What thing did I do thats hateful?
Trying to make yourself a martyr, when historically, Christianity has been the excuse for wonton death and destruction more than any other religion. Self reflection and facing facts are in order.
If I am to absorb the blame for all the bad things Christians and people claiming to have been Christians, you are to absorb the blame for all the bad things that atheists have done as well?
Nothing says Catholic love like fucking children and then covering it up


















