Mine is that Discovery should have been a series taking place in the Picard era.

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    oh boy. here we go.

    Faith of the Heart is great. the arrangement is a little weak but the tune itself rules and the words capture Archer so well i was shocked to learn it was a cover and not purpose-written for that

    The Wrath of Kahn is just ok. it’s less Star Trek and more an action movie celebrating the characters that we love, which makes it just the same as the later movies everyone hates. the only ones that are really feature-length Trek are Motion Picture and The Undiscovered Country. Into Darkness would be listed there too if the plot didn’t keep getting hijacked by Wrath of Khan nostalgia baiting, ironically

    the soap opera vibes in Discovery make sense in universe. they never really got a chance to be a peacetime exploration vessel and then it turned out their captain was secretly a space Nazi. compare and contrast how Pike treats them and the Enterprise crew- he seems to be aware of this and treats them with kid gloves. whether or not that was intentional and/or if it makes for good TV is left as an exercise to the reader

    Dear Doctor was a good episode. they didn’t condemn those people to die, they offered them a multigeneration treatment that just kicked the can down the road. it’s not about the decision so much as the decision to not make a decision (which granted, Rush tells us is still a choice). it’s messy but that’s the point. Cogenitor is the episode that deserves the hate. it may very well be the single worst episode in all of Trek

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      21 days ago

      A few quibbles.

      1. I would argue that Insurrection also qualifies as a feature-length Star Trek episode. It has good moral quandaries, an interesting sci-fi premise, all the hallmarks of classic Trek.

      2. Code of Honor is the worst Trek episode.

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      The problem with Dear Doctor is that the premise is pure gibberish. Evolution isn’t an intelligent force that makes decisions, it’s not a predetermined path, species don’t go extinct to benefit others, and evolutionary changes don’t affect the entire population simultaneously. However, every one of those is treated as true for the episode and then they made it clear that the events were the inspiration for the creation of the Prime Directive. If not for that last part, it would probably be dismissed as yet another bad take on evolution from Trek, but that it’s specifically intended to be one of the most important moments in Starfleet history is what makes it stick out.

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    Vulcans and Romulans having hand sex together is WRONG and doing it out where any child could see it on broadcast television is INDECENT!!

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    Mine is that Ahsoka has become a bit overrated over the past decade. Yes, we grew up with the clone wars, we saw her grow into a fantastic character, and yes she deserves the attention she’s getting. But everything she’s in now seems to be just to get adult fans nostalgic for their childhood. I’m worried that I’m going to stop caring the next time Disney makes a new property about her. It’s hard seeing my childhood die in front of me while I watch.

    Moral of story: stop making sequels. I want another season of Andor!

    Edit: I might be illiterate

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    I can’t fucken see shit on the new ship sets except for on SNW. They all adopted Klingon lighting or something and even my glasses leave the scenes like the end of GoT.

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      I have that problem on my televisions, it turns out, it’s bad implementation of HDR.

      Turn HDR off on your devices and the picture is instantly bright and clear.

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        I’mma try it out. Thank you, I always blamed it on my IT job destroying my eyesight always looking at screens up close.

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          You should look into some “gaming glasses”. Best Buy has them for like $50 but you can get some off Amazon for $12 instead.

          Or you should check into using something like Flux or the built in one for Windows (macOS has one too) for night mode.

          We got some newer monitors in the office a few years ago and had to enable it because the blue light was giving people headaches. But the warmer colors helped decrease that a lot.

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            There’s no actual evidence that blue light hurts your eyes, but it can affect your sleep. Instead you should worry about the distance you sit and the brightness relative to the room, as well as making sure to take regular breaks.

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              It might not have been causing any actual health issues, but it felt like too much on the eyes when we were sitting in relative darker areas and for longer periods of times of exposure.

              Using the night mode helped a lot with that intense feeling we were feeling. Getting the glasses has helped with the feeling for myself.

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            I stole a pair of those from Best Buy in 2011 lol they work okay. Its the screen proximity. My eye muscles are used to viewing things up close so they stay restricted.

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          It’s particularly bad on my Samsung sets, their HDR implementation is a known bug and there’s no way to disable it on the television itself, all you can do is disable it on connected devices.

          Then I find, everytime my Roku, Xbox, or Playstation gets an update, I have to disable it again. :(

          Still, better than watching a black scene in a coalmine. LOL.

          HDR on:

          HDR off:

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    Measure of a Man is legally and philosophically nonsense. It doesn’t grapple with any of the history of questions around consciousness, and there has got to be dedicated JAG officers on the Enterprise who are better equipped to handle the case.

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      I’m 100% with you on this one. Riker takes off Data’s arm and turns him off and that judge is like “you make a good point!”

      Get Crusher in there to put her in a coma and amputate her arm and see how inhuman she feels.

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        Riker takes off Data’s arm and turns him off and that judge is like “you make a good point!”

        Everyone except that ass scientist who made a case that Data isn’t a person was faking being convinced and/or being convincing. To prevent the ruling from being overturned.

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          Especially when you can just stick a hypo to their neck with some kind of future stimulant that apparently has little to no side effect.

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      21 days ago

      How about the position they put Riker in? “You will prosecute this case and you will do a good job of it and if you don’t I’ll immediately rule in favor of the prosecution.”

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    Vulcans are a completely unbelievable race. There is absolutely no logic to being so diafainful to other races yet it’s pretty much universal amongst Vulcans.

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      Rewatching The Search for Spock… there is an insane amount of religion in Vulcan culture.

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        The Vulcans do a lot of ritualistic and mystical stuff but the difference is the shit they do seems to actually work.

        We first see planet Vulcan during Amok Time. Spock pops the one stiffy he’s allowed every decade so they rush him home to get laid only for his wife to invoke her right to a cucking ceremony.

        Next time we visit Vulcan, they’re inches away from awarding Spock the medal for Most Dead Inside but he’s disqualified at the last minute.

        The Search For Spock is entirely about reuniting Spock’s soul with his dead and resurrected body. Mind you, Spock died of radiation sickness from fisting a warp core in the previous movie. His torpedo casket miraculously soft-landed on the Genesis planet, and existing there as a corpse resurrected and quickly aged his body but kind of as a caveman, no education or socializing. He had copied his mind into McCoy. So they go get his body, and bring his living yet blank body and the guy his mind is in to Vulcan. Sarek then asks T’Pau to do the brain FTP ritual. She replies “What you ask hasn’t been done since ages past and then only in legend.” It’s played as if Sarek is just now springing this on her, like he didn’t call her up at the start of this going “Hey they’re gonna go get my son’s body, can you do the brain FTP ritual for him?” He puts T’Pau on the spot and yet they’ve got the two slabs and the gong there all ready and she nails it on the first try.

        BREAKING NEWS: I was making a joke about it being the File Transfer Protocol ritual but in re-watching that scene they call it the Fal-Tor-Pan ritual so it canonically IS the FTP ritual and now I’m going to bed because my day won’t get better than that.

        To recap: They have a ritual for “Here’s his blank but living body and a guy with his mind in him, could you fix this?” just ready to go. This scenario has come up at least once before in Vulcan history so it’s still in their high priestess training manual.

        And it WORKS. They’re not a bunch of superstitious faith healers they produce demonstrable results. It involves robes and gongs and magic words and priestesses standing around but it’s all real (in-universe). How much of it is for the sake of ceremony and how much is science is up for debate but they get it done.

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      I don’t know, I actually like the whole flawed idea of vulcan logic. Throughout the different shows we come to understand that ‘vulcan logic’ isn’t some weird alien “their brains work differently” thing. They used to be violent and emotional, and they came up with a social system that helped solve that, and ushered in an age if peace and progress.

      But “logic” isn’t a meaningful method to live a life, it’s a very specific tool for certain types of problems. Even our primitive earth philopshers have identified many problems with thinking that we could live life purely logically, as Hume puts it "Reason Is and Ought Only to Be the Slave of the Passions”.

      So we’re not seeing a bunch of transcendent android minds, we’re seeing the equivalent of a bunch of recovering alcoholics clinging desperately to a worldview that they cannot question, but that is itself “illogical”. So their disdain for other races is partly a consequence of their general directness and not holding back criticism, but also an anxious defence mechanism of people who know that even their indoctrinating school system and constant peer pressure might not be enough if Vulcans feel like it’s okay to like humans or whomever, because that’s only one step away from “well, if they’re doing okay why can’t I fall in love and cry and laugh!” and that way lies bloody civil war and a return to barbarism.

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        Which is why Old Man Spock is the best vulcan. As he said, “Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end.” In his old age, he learned to understand and value the role emotion plays in our lives and how logic is best when it works together with emotion. That T’Lyn seems to have learned this from him specifically and is going down the same route makes me really happy.

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    TNG is boring as hell, genuinely, and a complete abandonment of the space opera formula that gave TOS its charm. The entire TNG cast is dull and equally as robotic as Data, who gets far too much emphasis every episode. It’s exhausting and repetitive to constantly show Data making the same head and eyebrow movements, demonstrating emotions like irritation while everybody pretends he doesn’t have emotions, and everybody prefacing every sentence with “Captain…” Frankly I think TNG was written to appeal exclusively to nerds who get off on watching people do things robotically. The only interesting character is Q because everybody else’s dead performance makes him look like a superstar.

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    Keiko wasn’t that bad of a character. She wasn’t a great character, but the biggest problem was that her actress, Rosalind Chao, had very poor chemistry with Colm Meaney, who in turn had great chemistry primarily with Alexander Siddig, and also with several other actors. This wasn’t a problem when she was cast in “Data’s Day” as the bride to be with nervous bride energy, if anything that’s an asset in such a short time frame. But then expecting that to work in what is supposed to be a long-term marriage is what led to perception of her being all MIIIIIILES all the time.

    Now, I don’t know that mid to late 90s Star Trek producers would have been on board, but they should have written an amicable divorce plot for the O’Briens. Miles and Keiko clearly grew apart from each other over the course of the show. Between her extended trips to Bajor and the way she all but threw Miles at Kira, they were already about 85% of the way there anyway. A divorce would have been a great way to resolve that issue, and use Star Trek as it was always intended: to explore real life issues in a scifi universe.

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    The entire franchise should be handed over to Simon Pegg.

    He has the most thoughtful understanding of what Star Trek is suppose to be since Ronald Moore, Jeri Taylor, and Ira Steven Behr.

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      would like to read more about this. I know he’s a fan, but I’m just cringing at the idea of the Cornetto trilogy expanding into Delta Quadrant…

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    The Wrath of Khan ruined Khan’s character.

    Khan was introduced in the episode Starseed, where his crew of genetically-enhanced tyrants are discovered hibernating on a ship, having been kicked off Earth centuries before. It’s a wonderful episode about opposing moral perspectives, and we get the positive and negative views on both.

    You could say it’s about slave/herd morality versus master/strength morality, or you could say it’s about compassionate humanism vs tyrannical domination. Both these perspectives are given their space in the episode.

    Khan talks about how they were actually persecuted for their reproductive schemes, how that’s an infringement on their freedom. That makes him somewhat sympathetic, but at the same time he accepts nobody’s rules except his own.

    The most interesting part is how the crew of the Enterprise are actually enamoured with the strength, charisma, and freedom of the tyrants. The final scene (after they defeat Khan) show the crew almost lamenting how they can’t do the kind of tyranny that Khan does. They want it, they kind of respect it, but they acknowledge the importance of equality and rule of law, so they almost-grudgingly agree that they did the right thing by defeating him.

    When they defeat Khan they exile his crew once again to a harsh planet.

    Ultimately the episode demonstrates why fascism will always be alluring to men and women, and also why it’s important to make sure that it doesn’t take over.

    Then we get The Wrath of Khan. Khan is no longer charismatic. There’s no philosophical discussion. Just a revenge story. And this is somehow the version of Khan we remember!

    You could argue that Khan’s vengeful turn is what happens when the spirit of freedom is crushed and ostracized. That would make a good arc, and a good psychological study. But none of that is discussed. He’s just a bitter, resentful loser who will stop at nothing to hurt Kirk. Khan as a character is ruined, and the story isn’t even ten percent as good as the episode where he was introduced.

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      This is such an interesting take, because I have such a different one!

      I maintain that, in his anger, in his vengeance, he was right. Being exiled to Ceti Alpha 5, when no one knew that Ceti Alpha 6 had exploded years ago and destroyed the habitability of Ceti Alpha 5 (oh my God, no one thought to check on the marooned Khan and his people in fifteen years?) means that he was a victim. And there was no justice.

      I still thought of Khan and his people as charismatic and strong and intelligent- but victimized by Kirk, they were correct to seek revenge. What was done to them was not justice. It was cruel and unusual punishment. I alsgofound it a testament to their strength that they survived for 14-and-a-half years on that hellhole.

      Loved your comments. Love the different perspective!

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        I’m not necessarily saying he was wrong (although his mission is a race to the bottom). And yeah, the victimization could explain his deterioration from a great man to a warped vengeance-seeking psycho. But as a character there was nothing interesting going on there. He’s just a generic Bad Guy, for the plot.

        But I like your points. It’s nice to see some Khan appreciation!