I mean like:
- Chinese (Edit: Mandarin Chinese) will become the lingua franca of the world
- The Internation Aviation Language will (probably) become Chinese (replacing Aviation English)
- Lunar New year becomes a popular holiday (like Chrismas is currently popular worldwide)
- The Internet will use mostly Chinese Chracter
- And instead of 26 Latin based characters, you’ll have to learn thousands of characters, imagine that 😅 (or just use a translator tool 🤷♂️)
- There would be a China version of Hollywood, taking over the original Hollywood
- Fengshui becomes a thing that the world starts to care about
- UN Headquarters now located in Shanghai (I’m guessing this is the most “international” city in China, right?)
- Boeing is dead, some Chinese airplane manufacturer now dominates, competing with Airbus.
- Baidu is default search engine (now with less censorship due to democrarization)
- Harmony OS (Huawei’s Android fork) become the new “Apple”, iPhone is now insignificant, ranking below Motorola in terms of market share.
- Either Windows get brought by some Chinese Bussiness person, or there China makes a Linux distribution that starts off as Open Source with some proprietary components (like how Android is), then eventually becoming Closed Source once they overtake Windows. Lets call it PandaOS (I’m not creative with names 'mmkay)
- etc…
Sounds like an interesting world 🤔
What do you think?
When you refer to becoming democratic, you mean like how it has been until a couple of years ago? Or, are you referring to China suddenly becoming Capitalist instead of Communist?
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So they can turn fascist again?
Why?
To be fair, Chinese is only slightly harder to learn than English
That depends on where you are coming from. English has enough German and Latin roots that most of Europe has a head start when learning English. (linguists will define roots different from what I’m using and say English doesn’t have Latin roots, but there is still significant influence)
If you are coming from an African language though it probably won’t make much difference. Though in Africa there is a good chance your nation was controlled by Europe over the years and so you might know enough of some European language to make English easier.
Basic Mandarin is actually pretty easy.
Becoming even day to day fine doesn’t take long and has fewer tricks.
Getting good enough to read literate classics, or use 成语 in your speech though takes a long time and effort.
That reading and speaking are basically independent skills though is odd to folks used to Alphabetic languages.
I don’t care which country is the global super power as long as it adhere to the liberal world order and all that comes with it.
I want to leave in peace, enjoy my human rights and not have to worry about other countries using arms to push their will.But also: a lot of those points have nothing to do with who the global super power is
Hummm the “liberal world order” is 100% “countries” using arms to push their will. Countries being “the west”.
And YOU having “human rights” is not really dependent on the “liberal world order”. Most of your rights were won by blood and tears during the late 1800s and early 1900s, through popular movements mostly ideologically aligned first with anarchism then with communism.
Also, the vast majority of the world not having human rights and being colonized and exploited IS your “liberal world order”.
So not really sure how you specifically benefit from western imperialism, unless you are a billionaire ofc. Which I highly doubt.
adhere to the liberal world order
And YOU having “human rights” is not really dependent on the “liberal world order”. Most of your rights were won by blood and tears during the late 1800s and early 1900s, through popular movements mostly ideologically aligned first with anarchism then with communism.
You are correct in that the liberal world order is an effect of previous hardwon freedoms. What is your point? The LIO makes sure that if my government tries to take these freedoms from me it invokes international support. So a malicious government will not only have to deal with domestic pushback, but international as well.
Also, the vast majority of the world not having human rights and being colonized and exploited IS your “liberal world order”.
…which is why these countries are under sanctions for example. Take Venezuela as a case. But yes, the postcolonial debate is ongoing.
Lmao vuvuzela ok gotcha
Boom got’em
What
Oh sorry, didn’t look at your instance. I realize now that you just wanted to shit on the liberal world order, not make a point
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Absolutely, soft power is definitely relevant.
A lot of people in the global south might say they don’t want it to adhere to the “liberal world order”
You’re speaking from a position of privilege, and suggesting that you should keep your privilege
I don’t care. The question was if I was okay with China as the super power and my answer is that it don’t matter as long as it adheres to the liberal world order.
Get off your high horse.
China
it don’t matter as long as it adheres to the liberal world order.
Well, they don’t.
I would even say, the distance between China and a liberal world order is more than the diameter of our planet.
For sure lol
“I’m on board with change in the global order as long as we maintain hegemony”
very valuable contribution thank you
Hegemony of whom? Lame ass comment
When you say “Chinese” becomes lingua franca, do you mean Mandarin? Cantonese? Yue? Hakka? Other? If Mandarin, do you mean Jilu? Jiaolio? Other?
I don’t think “Chinese” or any sinitic language ever becomes the global language. Translation is becoming so simple, I would expect any new global initiative can work in 3-4 languages simultaneously.
UN headquarters relocating - I think it would be more likely the UN collapses and is replaced by something else with China leading.
The Chinese movie industry is already huge, we just don’t see much of it in the US.
Lots of Chinese people aren’t into fengshui. That’s kind of a bizarre stereotype for you to pick out of everything mentioned.
The aerospace industry in China has a ways to go before they can be classified in the same tier as Airbus. They are getting better, but still heavily rely on borrowing designs instead of creating their own.
Baidu, HarmonyOS, a computer OS - fine by me to add more options.
What I actually hope is the idea of a single global superpower dies completely. It’s not even the current reality for the US; it’s just propaganda.
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Maybe it’s a generational thing, or geographic thing?
My wife was born in a village near Xi’an, and lived there for ~22 years
She isn’t into fengshui, and doesn’t adhere to any major superstitions (I guess other than you have to keep your belly button warm 😂)
Democracy without the rest of Enlightenment Liberalism is just another kind of of tyranny.
E: typo
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Former you mean. Well he might technically be president, I don’t follow close enough to know the exact status, but he is politically dead in the country and there is just process left to formalize it.
Which is how it should work. People abusing power is a given. If it isn’t happening where you live than either you are ignorant of the truth (perhaps because you overall support what the abuser is doing and so choose to ignore small signs); or you are afraid of what would happen if you talked about abuse.
Considering they use Uyghur slave labour for Xinjiang cotton, the answer is a no from me.
Man cotton just attracts slaves across every part of the globe. Good thing america diddnt have slaves picking cotton at any point in history /s
But seriously ukraine used slave child labour. Cotton for some reason requires slaves I have no idea why.
The cotton is awkward to pick.
It requires careful, dextrous removal from the bush that even modern day robots can’t do well.More difficult than picking raspberries, apparently.
And I hope we’d not endorse the US’s wet dream of human rights abuse being justification for war.
While I’d support china going democratic my experience of working and traveling in china makes me pretty certain it’s not happening in my lifetime. Obedience has been brutally beaten into Chinese citizens for so long it world take a long time to change that
I wouldn’t totally subscribe to that, having worked with Chinese allowed to travel. There’s acceptance to the rules active incountry, but very much subversive energy and sarcasm/cynicism abroad, and willingness to break the rules. If one manages to get them to open up a bit. I’ve worked with tech folks only, though.
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You are wildly overestimating what “democratic” means.
Or maybe you mean more, but the term “democratic” does not contain that. Think about Russia, India, Philippines… they are democratic too, but that has very different meanings there.
So, before I am OK with China, they would also need many other major changes besides a democracy.
I mean having to learn Chinese would be pain in the ass but probably good for me and my country’s main character syndrome is annoying as hell so sure
That depends on how they act. China right now is on a path where I’d oppose them replacing the US. However the EU has the ability to replace the US as the global superpower - they don’t because despite some significant differences overall the US and EU get along well and so they don’t see any point. By cooperating the EU gains the things they want from being a global superpower without the disadvantages. Part of that cooperation is the EU is in NATO (mostly?) and so they are paying some of the military costs of the US being a global super power.
The US isn’t perfect by any means, but we have done much better in many ways vs previous global superpowers. Right now I’d predict China would be worse so I oppose it. However who knows how things will change in the future.
No because we can and ought to have a world without global superpowers and states overall.
In an alternate universe where Britain didn’t went and colonise countries, US is so weak they got wrecked and conquered by Japan in ww2, and China become a democratic country at the end of ww2, then yeah i guess i wouldn’t mind because it didn’t matter.
In current universe? None of that will happen, even if a political party suddenly campaign against CCP and CCP suddenly got voted out next election. English doesn’t became a lingua franca overnight.
Depends on whether or not China shifts demographically as well. They’re currently too xenophobic and monocultural. Look at most western developed country and you’ll see quite a bit of diversity. I don’t think you’ll ever have a global superpower that is so set on race or where you were born.
China is definitely not immigration friendly.
China is not easy to immigrate to, true. But saying they are monocultures or xenophobic is CRAZY.
China has way more peoples and cultures than most countries. It has waaaay more languages officially spoken and taught in school than the US. It’s more comparable to the EU, if it had formed like a thousand years earlier.
Just search a couple of random Chinese provinces or autonomous regions (places where minorities self-govern 😲) in like the north and the south, or the west and the east, and read on the culture and ethnicities there.
Seriously Americans insist they have such vast cultural differences within the US, because “here we say pop and there they say soda; most people here are anabaptist, but there they are Methodists”.
Bro in China they speak languages that are not even related. They follow religions that are separated by thousands of years. They have cultural practices that are unique to their region that developed for thousands and thousands of years.
China is infinitely more diverse than 90% of countries in the world.
Not for long if the han Chinese policy is kept going 😄
What “Han Chinese policy”…?
You know the one-child policy only applied to Han Chinese in major cities right? Ethnic minorities were exempt.
And ethnic minorities have autonomy, meaning they rule themselves and have their own laws/governments. Like the Tai people in Guangxi, or Inner Mongolia where they still have signs in the Mongolian script. While in Mongolia they use the Cyrillic alphabet 😄
The Chinese government sponsors local cultural events and practices, builds temples to local religions (like the largest Buddhist temple in the world in southwest China), incentivizes learning local languages (by having bilingual schools) etc etc.
What has any western country done in that respect? In guarding and preserving minority cultures? Like how are Canada or Australia doing? I won’t even mention the US 😄
Oh I don’t think it’s called the han policy. But it’s about the harmonisation of all people living inside China. It’s the philosophy responsible for the genocide of Uighurs and one very interesting thing is the exchange of christian crosses in churches for pictures of Xi
That’s not a thing 😄
Yeah I can’t say that I know if there ever was clubbed a “han first policy” 😅 But the harmonisation of all people living inside China to be closer to the Han majority is very much a thing. There’s plenty reports of it, just search the net :)
Dang I can’t find anything on that that’s not NED propaganda /: seems like it’s fake surprise surprise
it’ll take a huge and lucky shift to have this happen, but still interesting on your choices of pop culture changes.
anyways, i believe a more short term thing is each region will have economic areas of influence and may or may not have bits and pieces of what you described here.
If China becomes democratic it is no longer China anywhere as we know it. The agenda is still, AFAIK, that the totalitarian regime is necessary for another undisclosed amount of time with the end goal to transition into full communism.
The problem is of course that the party elite quite enjoy this position they are in and are in no hurry for any societal transitions in any direction whatsoever.
So, in my mind, your question is at best some imaginary world building for a fictional scenario that has no connection with reality.
The alternative reality you live in is fascinating.
Would you mind elaborating?
Edit; I got curious and checked out some post history. It’s a tankie. No need to bother then. It will just be arrogance and smug insults and world history that strangely nobody except other tankies find truthful.
I think the point was to have it as a mental exercise. Personally I’d be fine with it. My main issue with China is the entire genocidal surveillance ethnostate with little to no civil liberties and full restricted speech. If it opened up to allow criticism of the government, protests, protection of LGBTQ folks and legal marriage, I’d be more on board.
But yes, that’s not the China we see today and likely never going to see in our lifetimes.
