I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating that this most recent assassination attempt was fake. Why do people think this? I’m out of the loop.
I trust Trump to do whatever makes him have more wealth and power and its easy to see how he would use this to claw at both.
There’s a very detailed American politics podcast here in Australia called PEP that covered the conspiracy theories in their most recent episode. I thought you might be interested in watching. The main section starts from here (I’ve timestamped the link for you), but there’s also some earlier discussion about conspiracy theories as well as just the incident in general that also might be of interest/useful context.
I don’t know all the details, but something that struck me as odd was the fact that this was the first WHC dinner that Trump was going to, famously being too cowardly to go to the others for fear of being mocked. Why go to this one, when his approval rating is in the toilet?
Well it was also the first one where Grindr promoted it.
I found it odd that immediately after, “I NEED A BALLROOM!”
And all the sycophants in unison, weirdly right after: HE NEEDS HIS BALLROOM!
This is the second WHC dinner during his second term. Last year they purposefully didn’t invite any entertainer and made no jokes about the administration to appease Trump. They showed they are ready to bow down and sacrifice freedom of speech so Trump showed up this year to express his approval.
he apparently hasnt gone to one once since 2011, when OBAMA roasted him.
Because there wasn’t going to be a roast. Mentalist and magician Oz Pearlman was going to host, instead.
And because, by staging a shooter, he is going to get public funding for his ballsack I mean ballroom.
Seems like a ballthimble would do.
You’re thinking about it backwards. It’s the first one the assassin tried to rush into because Trump was going to be there.
He’s asking why Trump decided to go
It’s the kind of thing he would do. Putin does it all of the time, and you know how Trump feels about him. One time Putin staged a takeover of a theater, and then gassed the theater. With hundreds of innocent members of the public inside. They got dragged across the ground and stacked up in public busses to be taken to the hospital. Over 100 died. They refused to publish the actual total. For a press op.
gassed the theater. With hundreds of innocent members of the public inside
That’s terrible! And just double-checking with a bit of searching, yeah, this was a real incident. Whether it was “staged” is unclear (not enough evidence to support or deny it due to the lack of an investigation). But the Russian authorities did indeed release a noxious gas into the theatre without any sort of evacuation or coordination with health services, yet the official report by the Kremlin hails it as a success even though over a hundred people died?! I feel like, staged or not, that is something that should be criticised.
For a bit of context, Russia was invading Chechnya, which declared independence after the dissolution of the USSR, and a Chechen militant group took over a theatre and held everyone in it hostage (how they did that, I’m not sure. Some of the sources blame it on negligence of Russian intelligence, or suggest that authorities in the area were bribed). There was a siege of the theatre, and by the second day, people started to get shot. Afterwords, the Russian special forces gassed the theatre before entering it in an assault, and most of the hostages, as well as the Chechen militants, were killed. Additionally, authorities in Russia did not say what the gas was, meaning the people administering first aid had to guess, causing more death and permanent injuries than was necessary.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Moscow-theater-hostage-crisis (Britannica)
https://academic.oup.com/milmed/article/189/9-10/228/7454807 (journal article)
There’s actually no proof the Moscow theatre hostage crisis was staged either. You’re supporting a conspiracy theory by pointing to an another conspiracy that you just made up. Y’all have completely given up on critical thinking.
Because we’ve been trained by the republicans to prepare for a distraction when the current news is bad.
All of the republican news is really bad right now. They’ve flip-flopped on wars with various countries and the Epstein files a few times already. Even thrown out some UFO stuff. Nothing is working though because gas prices are high and there’s no easy and clean way out of the quagmire the GOP is currently in.
It saddens me so much to know that the president can rape children, and get away with it. On top of that, the only reason people aren’t distracted from it is the fact that gas prices are still high. If gas were cheap, there is a good chance 48% of Americans would be distracted.
plus the tariffs that the MSM stopped reporting is hurting businesses alot.
Probs coz of the weird footage by some people. Guests sitting there still eating, others grabbing bottles, people smiling and chatting afterwards. People also are assuming that each attempt on his life was so bad that it felt staged (the way his ear looked after the first one, how incompetent the shooters were etc, theres lots of things flying around in comments). And then there’s the lack of sympathy for Trump so most people would want any reason to keep hating him.
the way his ear looked after the first one, how incompetent the shooters were etc, theres lots of things flying around in comments
AfaIk, the wound on his ear was caused by a member of Secret Service, not by a glancing shot (although he claimed).
Theres probs a bunch of explanations out there
Edit: According to Wikipedia, the final stance now is that the wound was caused by a stray bullet.
No link provided, so I looked it up. It’s in the article Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Pennsylvania, under Shooting (pretty deep in there though):
The upper part of Trump’s right ear was grazed by the first bullet Crooks fired.[99][100][101]
Note that Crooks is the name of the attempted assassin, not the secret service. He fired at him so I would not call it a stray bullet.
Edit: According to Wikipedia, the final stance now is that the wound was caused by a stray bullet
Okay if we assume thst to be true then why did the kid get killed? Do you think 17 year olds agree to sacrifice themselves for Donald Trump, being reviled among his voterbase for the rest of history and seen as the latest Lee Harvey Oswald ?
They set people up all the time.
“Here’s some money. Buy me drugs bro. You’re under arrest!!”
“Oh, you’re pissed off at your wife? Well what are the odds? I know a hitman!”
“So you want to die huh? Why not go out as a hero? The president will be at this location and this door will be lightly guarded. Thanks for saving your country!”
There was no ear wound. His ear has no marks on it.
sauce?
Source: Look at him, and then look at anyone else who has ever had an ear injury.
sauce? there is zoomed-in footage of blood soon after the audible batch of shots.
zoomed-in footage of blood
You don’t get ‘nicked’ in the ear by a bullet and then are just fine 3 days later. The bow wave on the bullet will tear pieces off, and even trivial damage to the cartilage will be visible for weeks after.
I don’t remember Trump as being “just fine”. I remember a very visible bandage on his ear for weeks.
The final conclusion says, it was a stray bullet and not harsh treatment by the Secret Service.
It was a chip from the teleprompter.
where can I find this final conclusion?
Sorry, for forgetting to attach the source:
thanks. I’m still confused by how people call it a “stray bullet” though; it was the attempted assassin’s bullet aimed at Trump and hit Trump although not in the temple intended. To be a stray bullet the target would’ve been someone other than Trump.
Either the bullet hit something other with a hard surface and was deflected on it’s trajectory, then I’d call it a stray bullet, or it was a glancing shot that has missed the head and only hit the ear.
Tomato
So, the guests were in on it being staged, and that’s why they didn’t react?
That seems to be what most people are claiming
It’s just like all the pilots and scientists being in on the flat earth.
Yeah its a weird time. I hate conspiracies, but with everything that has been unfolding over the last few years, distrust is at an all time high and i totally get it
It doesn’t help that the official state media is as reliable as a wet fart
Not at all
I imagine this video doesn’t help the this was real crowd: https://youtu.be/tw9R4E--I2c
Vid no longer available - what was it?
It’s available to me. Before the dinner, Karoline Leavitt says to a journalist: “He is ready to rumble, I will tell you. This speech tonight will be classic Donald J Trump. It’ll be funny, it’ll be entertaining. There will be some shots fired tonight in the room. So everyone should tune in, it’s going to be really great.”
There will be some shots fired tonight in the room.
This sounds like shes saying that Trump is going to roast people. “Shots fired” is slang for insulting someone. In context I don’t think this is very suspicious
I downloaded it. Let me upload it again somewhere… It’s karoline leavitt talking about a shooting going to happen at the correspondence dinner and it being exciting.
It’s an idiom…
I don’t like the conspiracy theories going on here. If it were staged, why would the gunman be off-camera to fire the shots? Wouldn’t we get more dramatic imagery? Everything in the footage seems awkward, not like tense danger. Trump doesn’t even realize (not to mention react) when the shots are fired (which, btw, were in the hallway outside just in case this is how somebody learns that this happened) until 20 seconds after.
A society with an endless deluge of information increasingly known as “may contain distortions of reality” tends to make anyone lose their minds, one way or another.
Trump is too much of a sissy to fake having shots fired near him
Isn’t it weird that it leaked that this correspondents dinner was going to be all about revenge and then this happens?
Honestly, I could see someone showing up and trying to assassinate Trump for being a pedophile, but I could also see this admin faking something like this. Though, I suspect this was faked we’ll see the leaked signal chats sometime soon.
happened 2 other times, with the same MO as the current one. once maybe it was believable but 3 times already, the Security serious inept or its staged.
Isn’t it weird that it leaked that this correspondents dinner was going to be all about revenge and then this happens?
are you talking about this? you do understand these remarks about shots fired are about his speech, not literal bullets, right?
whole trump’s presidency is a revenge for being humiliated by obama at correspondents dinner. it created his narcissistic political ptsd, and he will never get over it, so no, it is not weird at all that his first attendance of correspondent’s dinner at the office would be about that. it would be weird for normal mentally balanced adult person, but it is absolutely in character for trump.
No, I don’t think using a common figure of speech means it was staged. That’s silly.
I’m sure this news has wholly buried it but last week there was a report leaked that said this correspondents dinner was going to be all about getting revenge on the people who wronged Trump
The specific language used was weird, but I can’t say one way or the other yet.
“Donald Trump will launch a ‘revenge’ attack on the White House media when he confronts them in person at a Washington dinner on Saturday night,” an outletrevealed on Wednesday, April 22.
“He is expected to target publications that he has accused of writing negatively about his administration and his war with Iran, in particular, according to sources,” the Daily Beast reported.
If the shooting was faked, I have no opinion whether or not it is, those statements would be something called a “double entendre”.
Whether or not it was faked, she knew it would happen, could think of the double, or just overheard someone else making the joke… All up for debate.
And I also assume that even though the shooter was “in on it”, he’ll still go to prison for the rest of his life. No way trump bails him out…literally or figuratively.
I think it’s just because the PA event was so obviously faked, his handlers have proven they are willing to use a fake attempt to gain favor and he seems to be very unfavorable right now.
I think it’s just because the PA event was so obviously faked
What about it was so obviously faked tho?
There is a LOT about the PA incident that is comically sketchy and convenient and suspicious.
Can you please be more specific or provide links or something
The photo op was far too pointed and choreographed.
Normally, secret service are more efficient than that.
In addition, Trump didn’t act scared. Later, he put the golden ratio photo op photo on his wall.
They didn’t get him down on the ground and instead they moved the flag and photographers into position so they could take pictures. If they were afraid of the shooter taking another shot they would have gotten him out of there immediately, but they weren’t afraid because they knew it was staged and they had the photo op all ready to go.
I see
On top of that, lets say it were real…why have we not heard of any trial? We sure hear about every little detail from Luigis court proceedings. I remember last month reading they moved which cell he’s in.
Not moving jails. Just “you’re in this cell…well now you’re going to that cell over there”. That made the news. But the guy who tried to shoot trump just vanishes? The media doesn’t mention his name after a day or two.
Then you got trump sticking his thumbs up over the secret service. You’re telling me the guy who IN HIS HEALTHIEST DAYS OF HIS YOUTH dodged a vietnam draft, but in his elderly years is fighting 10 secret servicemen to stick his bloody hand up to give a thumbs up while an active sniper is trying to shoot him???
Have you watched the videos? Nobody at his table reacts (or rather they react very slowly). The SS gets Vance to safety first, and they take 21 seconds to get to Trump. I’m not an expert, but as I’ve seen a military person describe, this is astonishingly long.
In addition, there’s weird things like one of the fox reporters talking on air about how Carolyn Levitt’s husband was telling her they had to “keep her safe” or something, and the phone call was mysteriously dropped.
Carolyn’s comments about “shots will be fired” before the event
The fact that Trump has always avoided going to this event, like he had no previous interest in it at all
The fact that it was an EXTREMELY secure event and the shooter wasn’t shot down immediately, and somehow got through all that security with several weapons?
The way they just continued ahead with the event… Like no if anyone expected that there even an inkling of real trouble they would have shut it down immediately.
And that IMMEDIATELY after it happened, right wing influencers started posting about why the ballroom needs to be secure (which it is speculated was the whole reason for this debacle)
I’m sure more concrete evidence will come out in the future but they’ve done this dumb shit enough that it’s pretty safe take speculative evidence at face value, and even if not, it’s then a story of the boy who called wolf.
Umm… Everything? How many attempts are you aware of where the secret service keeps the president elect on the stage during an active shooting? How many are you aware of where the SS ushers in photographers to take the heroic photos? How many are there where a crane lowers the flag down behind him for the aforementioned heroic photos, again while the shooter is still active?
It’s the worst bitch of a false flag event I’m aware of.
The bullet that grazed Trump’s ear has been analyzed to death as too close to be fatal from the gunman’s distance to reliably stage. There are numerous more plausible explanations than the one the video puts forward.
- It is obvious that there might be good-looking photos if you take enough of them at any historical event. We already know that GOP campaigners cunningly used the assassination to their advantage for propaganda; the staffer is simply realizing that photos off the vent should be taken.
- At the end it looks more like he’s telling the photographers to keep their distance and pulling them away from Trump. There is absolutely no way he can see the camera viewfinder from such a distance, which is needed to decide on how to adjust the framing as the video purports he’s doing.
- The flag is simply being seen from a different angle. Throughout the video, the cameraman is approaching the gates, and then he tilts the camera upwards and then downwards. The former brings the flag into view and the latter is why the flag also looks like it’s being raised right after 0:36. Cross-reference the footage with https://www.youtube.com/live/Rr63RgGN-Yo?t=24263 (in both footage you see an agent go to the outermost. in the long livestream this is immediately followed by an agent waving Trump’s red cap.), a wide view, and the flag seems static.
This is the sort of information I was looking for, thanks. Hadn’t heard about any of this stuff before. I don’t know enough to make a judgment yet but I wanted to hear where people were coming from
Their point is that the dinner attempt is just another poorly executed staged attempt for publicity and sympathy from a wannabe dictator that’s losing support extremely quickly.
He started a war with Iran to distract from the Epstein files. That is so clearly obvious that even MAGA informed have been turning against him.
This reeks of a blatant attempt to artificially increase support like many two bit dictators have done on the past. It worked last time.
This is the sort of information I was looking for, thanks.
so, you were looking for conspiracy bs…?
My question was why people believe this. He told me why he believes it. So that was the information I was looking for. That doesn’t necessarily mean that I think the conspiracy stuff is convincing
ok, that is fair point i completely missed…
How many attempts are you aware of where the secret service keeps the president elect on the stage during an active shooting?
He wasn’t president elect at that time. He would have been “former president, and likely (but as of the day of shooting unconfirmed) 2024 republican presidental nominee”.
The attack happened in the summer of 2024. Election in November 2024.
And he immediately started in on the ballroom stuff.
The “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” people had babies, and some of them grew up to be progressives.
Trump was seen as having an electoral boost after the Pennsylvania shooting.
Trump is in a deep hole with the electorate over the Epstein files, the economy, the Iran war, and support of the genocidal Israeli regime
Trump has used very blatant & underhanded tactics in the past, from the 2020 electoral certification Coup attempt, and the recent doordash PR stunt.
There will always be some amount of people who will not accept things at face value, but with Trump, experience has shown that waiting for evidence before believing what the administration is saying is a wise move.
TL;DR: a lot of sketchy crap happens in this administration and people think anything that might turn out well for Trump’s voter polls is manufactured
the PR stunts, yes the assasinations are this to. its to assure thier magat supporters that he still is in control of things, they are too dumb to realize hes always staging things.
The door dash thing was so tone deaf. Like, oh I hear your husband has cancer. Well, the good thing is, there is a job opening for you to help pay for it! You can doordash yourself to the bed next to him! He
Forgive me if some of the details are a little off, happy to be corrected, but:
- the first attempt during the campaign was almost certainly fake.
- barbie lady said something about “shots fired” a few hours before the incident, as though she had misunderstood something in the group chat.
- last week a judge said the only basis on which Trump could build the Ballroom was over security concerns.
- moments after the incident Trump said that they need the Ballroom because of security concerns at the WH.
- the photos do look pathetically staged, although the videos less-so.
This post really hightlights how stupid some people here are.
First campaign attempt - I don’t think trump would have let some kid put bullets so close to his head
I think the idea is that the bullet never got anywhere close to him. The little nick on his ear was probably just from him getting wrestled to the ground by his bodyguards.
There is a photo of a bullet flying right past him, a reporter witnessed a piece of his ear come off, and the paths traced into the victims who unfortunately were hit, do show that the bullets went near Trump
a reporter witnessed a piece of his ear come off
Human parts don’t grow back that quick. Or ever, for most of them.
I think the idea is that the bullet never got anywhere close to him.
Didnt the stray bullet kill some people directly behind him?
All those bullets in the people behind him just showed up, too?
“JFK’s head just did that” level of conspiracy ‘thinking’
A dude was killed, its not impossible it was the murdered guy’s blood.
That dude that died was somewhere in the audience so way too far away
The little nick on his ear was probably just from him getting wrestled
There was no nick. 3 days later there’s not a single mark. I’m thinking the sharpie washed off.
I thought he hit his ear on the agents holster when they shoved his head down.
barbie lady said something about “shots fired” a few hours before the incident
That’s interesting. Do you know where I find more info on this?
Just google it brother the internet is awash with this stuff right now.
I tried looking it up, couldn’t find anything
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/karoline-leavitt-shots-fired/
TL;DR: the press secretary used the slang meaning “trump’s fiery speech at the dinner will absolutely annihilate our enemy journalists (with jabs)”
The manifesto specifically excluded Kash from the people he considered targets within the admin. At the very least, the supposed manifesto seems pretty sus based on that alone. But that wouldn’t imply the assassination attempt was fake (and even if it did, it could be interpreted as the FBI trying to take out trump and his administration rather than being done by Trump).
Fun Fact: The hotel shooter was 2 floors above the President when shots occurred. Orange Donnie was not in any danger.
I don’t know if this is a good metric. A sniper can take you out from standing on-top of a high rise, 30 stories up. Compared to that 2 stories seems pretty dangerous
Two stories above in the same building. Not in a building opposite the hotel. The hotel wasn’t canvassed by the SS? I don’t fucking buy it.
I guess it have been a closed floor plan then?
