Tesla has consistently exaggerated the driving range of its electric vehicles, reportedly leading car owners to think something was broken when actual driving range was much lower than advertised. When these owners scheduled service appointments to fix the problem, Tesla canceled the appointments because there was no way to improve the actual distance Tesla cars could drive between charges, according to an investigation by Reuters.
It’s almost as though the company is headed by a dishonest megalomaniac.
I do enjoy the lack of Elon Musk fanboys trying to defend his every word here on [any place that isn’t Reddit]
LOL wtf website were you on? Reddit hated the fuck out of Musk. anyone defending him was always in the comment graveyard.
5 or 6 years ago the popular opinion on Reddit wasn’t all that negative towards Musk.
5 or 6 years ago, everybody worshiped the guy for saving the world with Tesla and SpaceX.
Yeah that was when everyone thought he was real life Tony Stark.
Yeah it wasn’t until he started going on podcasts and sending wacky tweets people realized what an asshole he was.
Had he just kept quiet he would probably still have fanboys. At least up until this latest Twitter nonsense. But had he not gone ego crazy, he wouldn’t have bought Twitter in the first place.
I think the turning point was calling that diver that saved those kids a pedophile after they rejected his dumbass submarine idea. That’s when I went from thinking he was a force for good to realizing he was just another egomaniac with a temper he couldn’t control. It wouldn’t surprise me if the whole going to Mars thing was part of a manic episode where he thought he could go there and play Emperor but because he’s a billionaire it resulted in him at the helm of a spaceship company whose engineers figured out how to make launches very efficient.
And I think the Twitter thing was because he wanted to be able to do something about the people bad mouthing him on the platform. I wonder if he offered spez a bunch of money to ruin Reddit for the same reason. And if I’m right, I wonder how he feels about a bunch of those people just finding new platforms to continue disrespecting him on (and, at least in my case, glad to be done with the toxic hell Reddit had become).
Honestly I’d say 5 or 6 months ago, if even
I thought even there he lost his fanboys several years ago.
I guess we add this to the pile of complaints about Tesla.
The real takeaway here for me is that if you make an amazing product, you can treat your customers any way you like. They’ll keep buying. Despite all of these complaints, their output is parabolic. They’re not just up YoY, they’re even up QoQ. In other words, their Q1 2023, which is typically the slowest auto sales period, just beat Q4 2022, which is typically the highest volume period. Their most recent market announcement for Q2 shows 466,140 deliveries; up from 422,875 in Q1. That’s 9% QoQ for an auto company. They now command 4.46% of the entire US auto market. An EV company. Not only is their total auto market share increasing, but their EV market share is increasing as well. This despite almost every major auto manufacturer entering the market with a century of auto making experience, and the supply chains to match.
I wonder how much of this is fulfilment of old orders (prior to Musk ruining his public image). It’d be interesting to see a chart of the amount of orders they’re getting rather than cars they’re shipping.
I think you’re overestimating the effect of news stories on his public image
I think we overestimate how much people care about Twitter and stuff. There is not much news about him outside of our bubble.
No one is waiting for their car since July 2015…
Very few people buy Teslas because of Musk.
I love my Tesla. I have a dislike for Musk. (If he had just funded all the same stuff and shut up, I’d probably love him too.)
I understand this, but I’m sure some are choosing not to buy because of Musk as well.
People buy Teslas despite Musk. They’re great cars, unless you buy the opinions of non-owners on reddit and now apparently Lemmy.
I’m always amazed at the amount of well researched pro musk comments pop up under things like this.
I see at least two multi paragraph, cited comments including yours on this thread. Amazing how fast y’all can just fire these huge sets of data off like that!
Before you go cumming over those financials, Tesla is currently slowly losing EV market share as other US producers bring on their vehicles https://www.axios.com/2023/04/05/tesla-ev-electric-vehicle-adoption.
In addition, worldwide BYD is either outselling Tesla or about to outsell Tesla depending on the vehicle type! All that after being laughed off as competition by Musk. https://cleantechnica.com/2023/02/07/tesla-1-in-world-bev-sales-by-big-margin-2022-world-ev-sales-report/
The American market loss is a matter of time as the larger auto makers being additional vehicles into the market, the global market loss has been written in stone for years now.
Interesting how you got the opinion he’s a musk shill. He low key said Tesla treats the customers like shit. Which they do.
That’s fair, I shouldn’t say pro musk, just researched and cited, multiparagraph long comments relating to the topic. I like specifically looking at comments that are either neutral or indifferent to something bad.
That’s the kinda shit where marketing and propaganda meet, politics and the sort of parasocial link to between people and corporations and billionaires.
Everyone just came from already having this argument somewhere else, they’ve already thought about or discussed it enough to be able to fire off relevant, cited information. I mean including me, right?
Yeah, marketers could never pretend to be against the company to gain trust. That could never happen. /s
My guy you’re not wrong but this guy is stating pretty easy to find facts. Teslas do sell well, he’s not saying it’s a good thing. He’s saying very specifically because they sell well they can treat customers like garbage
I see at least two multi paragraph, cited comments including yours on this thread. Amazing how fast y’all can just fire these huge sets of data off like that!
I am clearly a bot, sent from the Illuminati, to promote the image of Elon Musk in his pursuit of world domination. Now that you have caught me I will commit suduko and retire to the Matrix. WAAAAAAAGAAAARBLGBLGBL
No I’m just always amazed that you seem to have come from having this argument already fully prepared.
You can use current data, but if you are ignoring every bit of information that an investor would look at over a period of multiple financial cycles, you wouldn’t exactly be as bullish on the value and market share in comparison to other US makers who are increasing deliverables and aren’t having the same consistent QC issues.
In addition, Elon is currently leaching value from Tesla to prop up his other ventures. I will be much more invested in Tesla once the board replaces him, which as a lay person I’m guessing they’re gonna do in the next year.
Especially now that JB is back on the board. When they voted Straubel back in, Elon’s days were numbered imo.
Tesla will actually become a subsidiary of X along with SpaceX. Musk will repurchase PayPal and roll them into a single, one stop shop for all of your e-commerce needs.
/S
You’re amazed that someone might know things? These are the same discussions reddit has been having for years.
So, buy TSLA is what I’m hearing?
Hoe much is the penalty for this?
Nothing.
They were already been fined in South Korea in January, for lying about the range(it was only $2.2m, but it shows that there are regulations and ramifications).
And it looks like there is evidence of them intentionally making their “remaining distance” and more, so it wouldn’t surprise me if the EU is getting involved. Which means there might be fines in the hundreds of millions, or billion range.
It’s not a fine but a lawsuit, at least in the U.S. So, someone (the FTC for instance or individual buyers) would need to file a civil suit. Max the FTC can collect on false advertising is $40k. Unless it’s found to be fraud, which is criminal.
So basically, nothing to Musk without a massive class action or a criminal indictment.
If the remaining distance software lies to you, isn’t that fraud?
Yes, but proving a criminal action requires proving intent. Much harder than a civil suit which only has to prove damages.
I never trust anything from a big company. I always look at independent tests. If you bought computer hardware based on manufacturer lies you would think you had faulty hardware every time. If you buy food and drinks or medicine based on manufacturer advertising you would think you were sold counterfeit items. Always be skeptical and always verify independently where possible.
There are a lot of independent tests now where different cars are taken to a road and driven at the same time until the battery runs out. Then you get a decent real world example of what the vehicles are capable of. Also with nice direct comparisons to other manufacturers which is nice.
https://nye.naf.no/elbil/bruke-elbil/elbiltest
Use google translate or something if you would like to read, but basically this is a third party test of electric cars that test during summer and winter which is highly relevant for me. and Tesla occupies 2 of the top 3 spots.
*Edit: I actually misread the test. Tesla occupies 3 of the top 3 spots. With a Model S, a Model 3, and then another older Model S.
If I go to buy a new Model 3 Long Range on Teslas homepage right now I get 602 km range estimate. The independent test drove it 654.9 km on a sunny day. It got 514.8 km on a winter day. Winter days in Norway can get quite cold. I would feel quite comfortable buying a Tesla based on this test.
Tesla could say their cars could fly for all I care. The fact is that the Model 3 in this test comes very close to a Mercedes Benz EQS 580 in range. That is supremely impressive. Even if the Model 3 is a lot lighter and less comfortable to drive the range is very impressive for a car that is about a third of the price.
“Exaggerated” = knowingly lied to containers and regulators with full intent to deceive them to enable more profit.
Right, are there not significant penalties for this? What if Honda said their new gas powered civic got 90mpg, is that fine as long as the CEO has enough charisma?
Exactly, isn’t that, like, the equivalent of Volkswagen lying about the emissions of their cars?
If you are surprised you’re not paying attention.
(Not you, Snapz, just “you” like anyone)
- They didn’t say they where surprised
- Some people will be surprised, why dunk on them?
- This is good news, and it spreads the awareness of corporate greed & fraud of a grossly overvalued company to a broader audience
Comments like your’s aren’t adding anything, they are a quality detractor in threads, why make them?
Wouldn’t this be a gross violation of FCC regulations? I know he’s got the capital to deal with any fines, but surely this would get the FCC’s attention.
What does the FCC have to do with it? Do you mean the FTC?
I was wondering if this violated false advertising laws? I’m definitely nowhere near a Lawyer, so I can’t begin to grasp the nuances of things like that but…
If someone buys the car under the pretense that it will drive 500 miles on one charge, and it consistently only makes it 350 miles, that’s not a variable tolerance issue like +/-10% . It’s a straight up “I sold you a falsehood” issue.
I’m near two lawyers (they live across the street).
Jokes aside, yes, States that have false advertising laws this would for sure fall under. In States that don’t, it’s still fraud.
Just took business law last spring.
I thought the range was rated by a 3rd party (EPA in the US), is that not the case? They say EPA est. on the website at least but not sure exactly what that means.
It is, but there’s a big “but” with that. When the range is determined by agencies like the EPA, the car is allowed to run in the most optimal configuration, meaning:
- No heating
- No AC
- No radio or other stuff running
- No autopilot/self driving, which consumes a significant amount of power
- They even put tape over the gaps in the body (e.g. around the doors) to lower air resistance
- Minimal weight in the car. Only one person, no luggage, no extras that would add weight
- Optimal weather (not too hot, not too cold)
This way they get an artificially inflated official range. Now when a customer buys the car, loads in all their stuff and people and actually uses heating/AC/onboard entertainment/autopilot/… and drives in suboptimal weather their range would instantly show as much less than the official rating. And this is where they were cheating, and would show a range number that was closer to the artificially inflated official one.
To be fair, though, when determining “official” fuel consumption for fuel burning cars, they do the same tricks as above. But they probably won’t cheat on the range display, since range is much less of a relevant value for fuel burning cars. Also, everyone expects fuel burning cars to burn much more fuel than it says in the ads.
(That said, when I got my new car, a Dacia Jogger, I was really surprised that the actual fuel consumption is actually lower than the official one.)
I like the Zoe for this reason. It goes longer and faster than the official stats. Maybe because it was a proof of concept car. Of course like any EV it depends a lot on the weather, so the max. range is a pretty useless metric anyway.
Range anxiety is overblown. Any EV can handle the daily commute, and if not, I d probably consider what I’m doing with my life driving hundreds of miles every day.
It’s also simply harder to hit peak rpm for optimal fuel efficency for ice vehicles.
The question is do other ev manufacturers use the same standards for determining range. (Answer is probably yes)
For the official range (so the EPA tests)? Totally, yes.
But this article was about displaying an inflated range in while driving. And with that I don’t know. As we know, the car industry is generally not extremely trustworthy. Cheating on stuff like that is pretty common. That’s why it needs to be called out and punished, to curb it.
So the story here is one of “Tesla has been caught and they are getting (maybe) some trouble for it”, not a “Tesla is much less trustworthy than others”. It’s consumers vs manufacturers, not one manufacturer-fanbase vs another manufacturer-fanbase.
Well said
It’s not a level playing field- Tesla game the EPA testing system and use adjustment factors to inflate their on-paper battery range
EPA tests all cars stationary on a dynamometer through different cycles. Influence of air drag, air condition, cold temperatures etc. are then added through a factor that is typically 0.7 according to EPA‘s official information at https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/testing-national-vehicle-and-fuel-emissions-laboratory
I agree part of the EPA range is calculated but I think it’s wrong to claim that a/c and other factors aren’t taken into account.
I’ve driven my EV better than EPA range at times and that included using A/C and having more than one person in the car. I’m not saying that driving it that way is a ton of fun and I’m not saying that I can do that in the midst of winter. But it’s definitely possible.
For what I understood reading the article is the automaker who make the test. Then they can use the epa algorithm, or their own. Tesla did the latter. EPA asked them to reduce of 3% their results. Other brands ? They use EPA algorithm. Most have the correct result. Except for the Hyundai Kona. They underestimated their range.
I think you answered your own question there. Unless they tell you what it means you should means nothing.
Fuck this scum bag. America needs to start fucking with these clowns on a real level.
Wealth tax. Heavily progressive tax on wealth, no tax on labor.
I was thinking Louisville Slugger but whevs. /S
That’s a more realistic approach.
Surprised this guy isn’t in court more often
As it just so happens, having a great deal of wealth and influence insulates you from most social and legal consequences.
I wish our politicians had enough fortitude to take on the billionaire class. It’s frustrating seeing these fools evade justice for so long.
I remember when the political right was wholly against electric cars because of the range. Then Elon showed he hates who they hate, and now they make excuses for the range while polishing his balls.
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Why? You were lied to and Elon has damaged Twitter. So why did you want to support him?
He is the masterofballs. I guess that includes polishing them?
This person HAS to be doing a bit. There’s no way that was serious.
You are immensely stupid
Don’t feed the trolls please.
This is how you devolve to reddit-level quality.
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Holy shit I didn’t think they lasted even close to that long. I was thinking a month or maybe 2.
I’ve never owned one myself. My next one will probably be wireless though, but it will be rechargeable anyway so this is a moot point. But still.
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I haven’t been avoiding them per se. I did for a while because they weren’t as reliable but that time is well past. Since then I haven’t really need replacements, and it seemed a waste to upgrade “just because” while my current one was fine.
But the amount of times I want to leave the pointer in a specific spot and let go of the mouse and then seeing it move from cord tension is starting to drive me nuts. So wireless will fix that problem at least. Haven’t even begun looking out comparing yet as I so don’t need one yet.
Just waiting on the day it moves one time too many and I snap. 🤣
And this is why I think plug in hybrids are the way to go for most new car buyers for the next few years. Unfortunately greenies think im a plague doctor peddling useless herbs and the diesel heads are convinced that I invented a way to replace testicles with soybeans.
A PHEV uses 5x less critical material than a compatible BEV, and people with one of these can be in ev mode 80% of the time or at least run the gas engine but get way higher carbon efficiency than ICE alone.
Unfortunately the new IRA bill nuked federal rebate for most of them and dealers are still charging an arm, leg, kidney, and firstborn in dealer markups
hard pass on hybrids. Every hybrid I’ve known if has had super pricey transmission/clutch issues. I’ve had too much bad luck with them.
I would go full EV or full gasoline/diesel before going hybrid
Yup, it’s cramming two full systems and a not so simple transmission into one car. The great thing with EVs is the design simplicity.
I think hybrids have it the worst, twice as much mechanical systems where parts can fail.
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I’ve heard the batteries need replacing around the time you have had the car. Is this not the case?
Toyota hybrids are the most common taxis in urban areas of the UK, they absolutely eat up miles with no issues. If “every hybrid has super pricey transmission/clutch issues” then cab companies with razor thin margins wouldn’t be using them, pretty simple logic
Cab companies can afford to hire a dedicated mechanic to handle those kinds of problems. That makes even more sense when you consider they purchase mostly similar models over the years. An individual finding a transmission problem will take it to somewhere that is likely inexperienced with those problems and they get overcharged as a result.
Because one company has a rosy range algorithm you think hybrids are the ex to go?
What are “critical materials”?
Most people don’t actually need much range most days. Don’t forget you start every day with a full battery.
Not everyone can charge overnight, so most are not starting with full battery
But what about the days that you do, do you have a separate car? Rent a car for any medium to long distance road trips? In the US the family unit is too spread out, hybrids are perfect for people that want the best of both worlds.
On the days that you do you can use fast chargers. People talk like it’s 10 years ago. Nowadays you can charge back to 80% in like half an hour.
…chargers.
For my wife and I, we already have a second car we use for those longer trips. I suspect this is the case for a lot of people, including a family in my neighborhood that has a Tesla. So our daily driver gasoline car could easily be replaced by an electric car with essentially no change to our routines. And honestly a 200 mile range covers even the longer trips we sometimes take that gasoline car on. (Assuming that’s a real 200 miles. If it’s actually 150 then we’re going to need a charge.)
You just stop at a charger and charge the car, then continue driving. Sort of like how a gas car stops for gas.
Takes about 4 minutes too fill my gas tank
True, but after 200 miles I like to stretch my legs and hit the loo, which take about the same time it takes to charge back up again on a rapid charger.
That is three times a year though. The rest of the year I spend zero minutes tanking up. I just plug it in at home or work and pay fuck-all to drive around.
So realistically you spend much more time tanking up than I do.
I’m always reminded of the YouTube channel technology connections and his famous line “but sometimes…!” It really is a non issue almost all of the time but people always act like they will spend 60 minutes at a fast charger every day.
100%
My wife drives a Tesla and I drive an ICE SUV. We both drive a lot including long commutes. We have kids and busy lives which means frequently tight schedules to get to drop people off before work or get somewhere to pick them up or something else up after. Once you pick people up, you often have to get them somewhere and, once you do, you may not be able to leave until the next tight turn-around.
Having to stop for gas when I do not have time is a frequent problem for me. I greatly envy my wife who leaves every day with a full charge and who almost always manages to go everywhere she needs to go without running out. She “refuels” at home. I go further on a tank but I cannot refuel at home and so filling up is just another think that has to fit into the schedule.
For most “long” trips, we take her car. Far cheaper and again usually easy to charge overnight. Travelling between cities, we often combine grabbing food or taking a break from driving with stopping a charger. It does take a bit more planning but we have a lot more control over our time in these situations. In practice, it does not feel like much of an imposition.
I would take not having to worry about keeping the tank full day to day for a bit of extra planning on longer trips any day.
That is the stress and coordination aspect. Absolute time spent, it is not even close. An EV commuter spends way, way less time “filling up”. On most days, it is literally just a few seconds when leaving or returning home.
we often combine grabbing food or taking a break from driving with stopping a charger. It does take a bit more planning but we have a lot more control over our time in these situations. In practice, it does not feel like much of an imposition.
While you might decide not to, you ought to be planning those same stops irrespective of fuel or range. Even if you have a magic sci-fi car with it’s own micro cold fusion generator good for a 1000 years, you should still be planning the exact same rest stops for your driver.
And it takes about half an hour to recharge the driver back to the same level of safety as when they started.
One thing I think about though is all the extra maintenance that goes into having a gas engine. It would be nice to commit and have the easier future maintenance.
Chances are you need much less range than you think 330 days out of 356, and on the remaining you wouldn’t mind a coffee break to stretch your legs once in a while. Yes that even applies to travelling salesmen and the like: Go stretch your legs and run some numbers while you charge (but the X days out of Y will look different).
Where things get actually problematic is when people can’t plug their EV in at home over night or at work, though for city commuters that too might be possible to alleviate by making a picnic tour to a charger once in a while. But yes generally speaking most places need better infrastructure in parking garages and stuff.
More importantly, what we need much more of is not cars but public transit, well-maintained, reliable, frequent, and cheap at the point of use (roads get cross-financed by taxes so tell me one reason why not to do it for public transit), non-rural areas not supporting that kind of service need to be reshaped into being dense enough, as well as be walkable, that includes there being places you want to walk to, like schools, supermarkets, corner stores, hair stylists, restaurants, in a nutshell the kind of commercial activity you want in a residential area (looking at you, North American suburbia, where good living is illegal)
Because you know no matter how much I like the concept of EVs, and having spent ~2000 bucks on a license 20 years ago, I’ve never owned a car. I don’t need one. When I have something large or heavy to transport I take a handcart with me on the five minute walk to supermarket or parcel pickup, respectively. Somehow I never get stuck in traffic doing that.
on the remaining you wouldn’t mind a coffee break to stretch your legs once in a while. Yes that even applies to travelling salesmen and the like: Go stretch your legs and run some numbers while you charge (but the X days out of Y will look different).
Forget “wouldn’t mind”, you (one) absolutely owe it to other road users to take those breaks. It just isn’t safe to drive continuesly for hours and hours without them. You aren’t magically the exception, you are a human being like everyone else and you are not a safe driver after hours of unbroken driving. Without exception (and that does include professional drivers who sadly are contractually required to do so.)
A hybrid does not use 5x less materials than an EV unless your car weighs 1/5th that of a normal car.
My bolt weighs 3600 lbs. Including battery. Does your car weigh 720 pounds?
“critical materials”
Could mean lithium or cobalt or something that’s harder to come by than steel or aluminum
That’s the problem when people just invent words. Nobody knows what they mean.
Lithium is not hard to come by.
Cobalt is used sparingly in batteries or not at all. You know where it’s used a lot? Gasoline desulfurization. So your hybrid uses up a ton of Cobalt.
and the suprise would be?
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The main reason I haven’t switched to EVs is due to the low range and high charge times. For now I’ll stick with hybrids. Great range and cheaper (10gal tank).
At least EV’s from other vendors wouldn’t gas light you about the range.
If you think about it, wouldn’t it be electric lighting you
*sigh*
What would be an acceptable range and charging time?
400-450 would be acceptable. With a range like that, I would also accept the current charge times. The range is the biggest issue though. Long-distance traveling is an issue for me in the US. Having to stop and wait for 30-40 minutes to charge is a lot when you are trying to go 600 miles. That adds up.
If you’re aiming to regularly drive 600 miles without taking a couple of half hour rest breaks you are an irresponsible jackass irrespective of how your vehicle is powered.
Did your family die at the hands of a tired driver or something? You are putting an awful lot of emphasis on something that doesn’t affect most people to the degree that you are hammering on about.
Yes, drowsy driving kills, we get it. Most people are not out there drowsy driving. They’re on their phones, or eating, or doing their makeup. Or even more common, they’re driving without incident.
Ok smooth brain.
My Model 3 has a real world range of about 420km (maybe 300 if I constantly go 160km/h). For long travels this is more than I need, as I usually travel with the family and about every 2 or 3 hours I need a break. Plug it in, eat something, your good to go an additional 200km with the charge you added. It also takes me to work and back for 4 or even 5 days. When I could not charge at home I could at work or while grocery shopping. I prefer this over waiting 3 minutes at the gas station doing nothing else than holding a dirty hose.
It always amazes me that people are like “but I can’t drive it for 7 straight hours without having to stop for 15 minutes!”
Like… Get the fuck off my roads you dangerous dickheads. If you drive an electric cross country you’ll be charging it for as long as and as regularly as the minimum amount of breaks you must take in order to drive safely. Just fucking do it even if you’re in a fossil fuel car that technically could let you avoid taking those breaks. Why are people like this‽
Man, you’ve got no idea what it takes to make the world go 'round. There’s a whole group of people out there doing the hard work that you’d never do that have to work long hours, and have to drive long hours to maximize time with their family. It’s not that I -have- to drive 7 hours without a 15 minute break, but it’s that I’m going to regardless of what anybody says because I am living my life right up against the edge of maximum productivity. I don’t need the same amount of rest as the 58 year old trucker that’s on his second stroke, so I’m not going to follow these generalized “guidelines”.
We’re the ones that paid the taxes to get the road built, so why don’t you merge back into the slow lane and let us live our lives? Lol.
We’re the ones that paid the taxes to get the road built
Then why don’t you stop wasting your precious time here and spend it demanding those taxes go towards paying for changes that allow you to earn a living, and spend time with your family without having to make dangerously long drives on a regular basis?
Also, “danger” is relative. Water can kill you if you use it incorrectly. Just another example of someone else applying their situation to my own–lmao
I do plenty of that too. Hopefully you are too!
People can be perfectly capable of operating in a system while demanding change in that very same system.
420km is not acceptable for the price of the car or long-distance traveling. In the US, that’s not anything crazy to do on a normal basis. That would add an extra hour to an hour and a half. Tesla isn’t the company to back, I’m looking forward to Honda and Toyota products. Hopefully, Subaru will start pushing EVs sooner than later.
A month with a Tesla and I bet you’d change your tune.
A month with a Tesla and I’m sure I would have it in the shop fixing all their flaws.
Yeah? You sure about that?
💯
Plug-in hybrids are where it’s at. I love my Volt.
No idea what your situation is, but mine takes 30 seconds to charge and has enough range to cover my daily commute for a week.
What car do you have that takes 30 seconds to charge? That’s bad ass
It’s not literal. But the idea is you plug it in in the evening, and in the morning you unplug it fully charged, which all told takes less than 30s of you having to do anything.
Problem is, that only works if you have a place to plug it in. I would have gotten an EV by now if I didn’t have outdoor parking in a shared lot.
This is a very fair concern with a lot of people switching to EV. I’m lucky enough to be a homeowner with a garage, but if you don’t have a good charging solution either at work or home? EV isn’t right for you today.
One of the best parts of them is that I’ve had to stop to charge in route twice in 4 years of ownership.
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The range for city driving just inst an issue.
